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<p>Sometimes you need to look back and see God in your past to help you trust Him for your future. </p>
<p>Today on the <em>4:13</em>, author and speaker <a href="https://laurieshort.com/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Laurie Polich Short</a> explains how what feels like a detour may actually be divine direction. Whether you’ve experienced closed doors, long seasons of waiting, or deep disappointment, you’ll be reminded that God is present in <em>every</em> part of your story.<span id="more-27852"></span></p>
<p>Laurie will help you trace God’s fingerprints all throughout your life—even in the moments that were confusing, painful, or unexpected—and invite you to release your expectations of how God “should” show up so you can begin to recognize how He already has.</p>
<p>Plus, I’m going to sing a special blessing over you at the end of this episode, so be sure to listen until the very end!</p>
<h2>Key Takeaways</h2>
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<li>God operates in the macro story of your life, not just the micro circumstances you’re experiencing, and looking back reveals patterns of His faithfulness.</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t dismiss closed doors as failures. They often redirect you toward something better or position you for opportunities you couldn&#8217;t have anticipated.</li>
<li>God is <em>always</em> present, but we don&#8217;t always experience or recognize His presence because we&#8217;re focused on what we want rather than what He&#8217;s doing.</li>
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<h2>Meet Laurie</h2>
<p>Laurie Polich Short is a popular speaker, author, and part of the teaching team at Oceanhills Covenant Church in Santa Barbara, California. A graduate of Fuller Theological Seminary, Laurie has been featured on PBS, Focus on the Family, RightNow Media, and more.</p>
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<h2>Related Resources</h2>
<h4>Links Mentioned in This Episode</h4>
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<li><a href="https://www.jenniferrothschild.com/trust-gods-timing-laurie-polich-short/">Listen to another episode with Laurie Polich Short about trusting God’s timing</a></li>
<li>Get Laurie’s book, <a href="https://amzn.to/4eZzvrs" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Tracking God in Your Life: How to See God&#8217;s Work in Your Past, Experience His Presence, and Trust Him with Your Future</em></a></li>
<li><a href="https://laurieshort.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">More from Laurie</a></li>
<li><a href="https://store.jenniferrothschild.com/product/fingerprints-of-god-bible-study-member-book/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Fingerprints of God: Recognizing God’s Touch on Your Life</em></a> &#8211; Bible study by Jennifer Rothschild</li>
<li><a href="https://store.jenniferrothschild.com/product/he-touched-me-cd-single-with-bonus-track/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">&#8220;He Touched Me&#8221;</a> &#8211; song by Jennifer Rothschild</li>
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<h4>Related Episodes</h4>
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<li><a href="https://www.jenniferrothschild.com/stop-rehashing-past-live-present-jeanne-stevens/">Can I Stop Rehashing the Past and Live in the Present? With Jeanne Stevens</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.jenniferrothschild.com/write-beautiful-story-life-sally-clarkson/">Can I Write a Beautiful Story With My Life? With Sally Clarkson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.jenniferrothschild.com/rest-gods-goodness-story-shifts-sarah-frazer/">Can I Rest in God’s Goodness When My Story Shifts? With Sarah Frazer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.jenniferrothschild.com/recover-trauma-mary-demuth">Can I Recover From Trauma? With Mary DeMuth</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.jenniferrothschild.com/thrive-when-life-falls-apart/">Can I Still Thrive When My Life Falls Apart? With Niki Hardy</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.jenniferrothschild.com/get-back-up-give-up-shawn-johnson/">Can I Get Back Up When I Want To Give Up? With Shawn Johnson</a></li>
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				<p><b>4:13 Podcast: Can I Trace God’s Presence in My Life? With Laurie Polich Short</b></p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> I think that's where we get caught up in our lives, is in a certain circumstance that we assume is gonna go on forever or everything's lost or ruined or it's never gonna happen. And we recognize by looking back that these are just chapters in a much bigger story that God is writing. </p>
<p>And I think what we need to realize is is that God is in the macro story, and we're so often in the micro story that we lose perspective on what he was doing.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Sometimes you just need to look back and see God in your past to help you trust him for your future. Hmm. Well, on today's 4:13, author Laurie Polich Short is going to guide you through eight different ways to see God's presence in your life. </p>
<p>She's gonna show you how to understand the doors that have opened and the doors that have closed, how you ended up in different places than you may have planned, how the difficulties and unexpected people in your life were used by God. Ooh. You are invited to take a really good look at your experiences so that you can see the thread of God's movement in your life. Ooh.</p>
<p>And just for fun, I am gonna end this podcast by singing over you, because I want you to even be able to experience in your heart this truth that God's fingerprints are all over your life. So stay till the very end.</p>
<p>All right, buckle up. This is gonna be a good one. Here we go, KC.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> Welcome to the 4:13 Podcast, where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you up to live the "I Can" life, because you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.</p>
<p>Now, welcome your host, Jennifer Rothschild.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Hey, friends. Jennifer here. And you know what I'm about to say if you've been with us any amount of time. It's two friends here, one topic, and zero stress. And our goal is to help you be and do more than you've ever thought you were capable of because you are living through the power of Christ in you, not your strength. You're living that 4:13 life.</p>
<p>That was KC Wright, my Seeing Eye Guy. We're so glad you're here. This is gonna be a good day. I told you at the top end there that I'm gonna sing a song over you. I'm just gonna tell you what it's from so you'll know. I wrote a Bible study many years ago. Actually, it was my second Bible study I ever wrote, called "Fingerprints of God," and it's tracing God's touch on your life. It fits so nicely with what Laurie's talking about today.</p>
<p>So I'll have a link, of course, to that Bible study on the Show Notes, but I'm also just gonna end by singing a song over you that you will be familiar with. But then you'll notice that I changed up and wrote a new bridge to it so that it'll become very meaningful after this conversation. So stay till the very end.</p>
<p>But before we even get to Laurie, I gotta know how my buddy KC's doing. What's up with you this week?</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> Hey. Well, I'm blessed. We have had the most beautiful weather recently.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Oh, true.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> We've had several days in the 80s, which -- oh, by the way, since temps were in the 80s, I took the top off my Jeep.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Oh, that's so funny.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> Okay?</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Yeah.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> So, you know, Jeep hair, don't care, right? We've been cruising around with the top off, right?</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Oh, that's fun, KC.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> But sometimes I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Don't ever park your Jeep under a tree with the top off. So Sunday I'm leaving the house, and I -- I try to look nice for church, right? And I opened my Jeep door and it is filled with bird goodness. The birds sit in the tree and then they relieve thyself in my --</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Your Jeep is a bird potty --</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> It is.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> -- is what you're saying?</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> My Jeep turned into a port-a-potty for birds.</p>
<p>Now, when you do what I do for a living, when you're a preacher, speaker, teacher, you're a spreacher, everything becomes a sermon.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Oh, yeah, it does.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> So my daughter's standing there. I got the bleach wipes out, and I'm cleaning this and I'm getting sermons. I got three sermons out of that. I said, "Do you see, Elliana, why it's important to have a covering? If you don't have a covering of a church or a pastor, your life is filled with ew."</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Yeah.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> And so, you know -- you know?</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> That's good.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> Right? That was sermon number one.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Okay. That's really good.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> And then I got the bleach wipes and I'm wiping down the seats, and I go, "The weapon was formed, but it did not prosper."</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Ooo. Because you wiped it white as snow with the bleach. Okay.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> So I'm just saying, don't park your Jeep under a tree.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Yeah, then there's that.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> That's KC's words of wisdom for today.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Okay. And, you know, we have a lot of female listeners, and you know what they're all doing right now, besides laughing? They're going, "Duh." Sorry. I'm just saying. Sometimes we women, we can -- we could see that coming. That's why God made us the mamas.</p>
<p>All right. But, KC, that's great. You know what I love? I mean, I love so many things about you. But one of my favorite is that I don't even have to wonder, I hope we'll have something to talk about today, because KC does his normal life and we get this. It's wonderful. So I'm sorry, but now you've got really clean seats and two sermons. Well done.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> Right.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> All right. That's how you can trace God's presence in your life, because, you get sermons out of bird poop.</p>
<p>All right, introduce -- I'm sorry, Laurie. I'm sorry if you're listening --</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> Sorry.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> -- that we just said poop and now we're about to introduce you, but here we go.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> Laurie Polich Short is a popular speaker, author, and part of the teaching team at Ocean Hills Covenant Church in Santa Barbara, California. She's a graduate of Fuller Seminary. Laurie has been featured on PBS, Focus on the Family, RightNow Media, and more. And let's add -- hello -- she's now a 4:13er.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> That's right.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> Here is Jennifer and Laurie just for you.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> All right, Laurie, you start this book with a poem that I remember being on -- I think it was my grandmother's or great aunt's bedroom wall. Okay? And so I think a lot of people will be familiar, but some may not. It's the Footprints poem. And you use that theme throughout your whole book.</p>
<p>So first of all, if someone does not know that poem, like, please kind of give us a feel for what that poem is saying, what's the point, and then tell us if it meant anything to you personally.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Well, I'm the same as you. It was something that so many people knew when I was younger and it was something I saw when I first became a Christian on a bookmark when I was working at a Christian bookstore. And it always stayed with me. But I do know that a lot of people don't know it today --</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Right, right.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> -- so it's kind of old and new at the same time.</p>
<p>But it's about a man who's walking along the beach and he's looking back over his life by looking at the footprints in the sand. And where he sees two sets of footprints, he assumes that God was with him. And where he sees only one, he assumes that he was alone, and he notices that those were the darkest times of his life. And so he cries out to God, like many of us do, "Why did you abandon me in my darkest moments?" And God said, "I didn't abandon you. That was when I carried you."</p>
<p>And I think that perspective shift is something that happens when we look back on our life, when we come to see that the times that we couldn't see God while we were living certain seasons, we look back and we can see so much more evidence. In fact, I call him the God of the rearview mirror, because I think we see so much of what he was doing and what stories were about. We thought they were about one thing, but they were really about something else. And I think that's why we look back in order to see our way ahead in faith.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Ooh, look back to see our way ahead in faith. Okay, this is really cool. I love this premise. And I love that you're taking something that could be old, that is new now to this generation, and it's refreshing to both. Because if it's familiar to us, we get to think through it, that this is where God is most present. And if it's new to us, then it can be a good paradigm creator.</p>
<p>So in your book, you share eight ways that we can observe God's presence, from, you know, just like learning how he speaks, to finding his presence in both opportunities and difficulties, which is what you just kind of mentioned with the one set of footprints. Okay. So how can we see God's presence in our pain, Laurie?</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Yes. Well, first of all, I want to say that what I love about the cover of this book is you actually get to feel the footprints in the sand --</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Really?</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> -- and one of the footprints is yours. Yes. The bottom footprint is yours, the imprint. And then the top footprint is coming from the other side, so it represents God's footprint. But I love what they did with the cover.</p>
<p>And what I do is I walk you through eight kind of unique ways to see God in your story, with the hope that you will then look for those ways while you're living confusing circumstances right now, which we all do. And so it's a little bit of a training ground by looking back. </p>
<p>And I look at things like open and closed doors. You know, we always think of God in the open doors: our opportunities, the answered prayers. But we don't often see that God was actually possibly in a closed door, before the open door happened, to kind of move us in a different direction or in a different relationship or whatever that may be.</p>
<p>And what I invite the reader to do is to pull back on the whole story. I think that's where we get caught up in our lives, is in a certain circumstance that we assume is going to go on forever or everything's lost or ruined or it's never going to happen. And we recognize by looking back that these are just chapters in a much bigger story that God is writing. And I think what we need to realize is that God is in the macro story, and we're so often in the micro story that we lose perspective on what he was doing.</p>
<p>And so each of these chapters, I talk about timing and coincidences, those times where, you know, you just happen to show up at a certain time and something happened and that made a huge difference in your life. Or risk. I talk about mirrors and cliffs, looking inward at that thing that's hard for us to look at or stepping out in faith and doing something we're not equipped to do. We find God -- or experientially we find God so powerfully in those moments.</p>
<p>And then, of course, the power in weakness, which you referred to. I think that we all recognize that the most difficult things we go through are actually the things that God uses the most in our lives as our ministry. We can connect now with others that have gone through that very same thing in a very unique way. And so sometimes God allows those things because he is going to use them so powerfully. And I've seen that not only throughout Scripture, but in my own life and in other people's lives around me.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Okay, so -- me too. And I agree with that.</p>
<p>You said something interesting. You qualified one of your statements about God's presence and you mentioned the word "experiential." So tell us about -- so if God is with us, walking with us, carrying us, this concept of his presence always with us, but you -- you made a qualification there I think you need to unpack. Are there times when God is not with us? And give us an understanding of what his presence is like and how that is different sometimes from how we experience it.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Well, I think God is always with us. I just think that we sometimes have our senses turned off and so we don't see him. Or we're so focused on where we want him to be that we're not looking for where he is. And I think that sometimes I've been so focused on a door that I wanted to open in my life, that I could have easily missed another door that was opening that God wanted me to go through. </p>
<p>And it might have been something completely different, a person he brought into my life or something he wanted me to do that I now have the time for because he's not answering a certain prayer. And we find that if we make God the person who guides us, rather than us in the driver's seat trying to guide God and then being disappointed when he doesn't do what we want, then we experience him so much more because we're open to what he might be doing at any given moment. </p>
<p>I even have a chapter called "When The Script Gets Flipped." And I don't know about you, Jennifer, but I don't like that very much in my life.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> No, no, no, no.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> I like to be --</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Yeah. In control?</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Exactly. I'm a firstborn. And I like to know where I'm going and what I'm doing and have a plan and have it work out the way I thought, and God just doesn't seem to listen to me on that one. So I know it's something he's working in me on because he wants to lead me, he wants to guide me, he wants me to see all the things that he sees for me, and we can't do that unless we trust him.</p>
<p>And so I've noticed that when my script does get flipped, when -- I went through a broken engagement, for instance, and -- I mean, I had all the bridesmaids' dresses and my wedding dress, two showers, every gift in my registry and -- so we were engaged for a year and a half. And when that broke up, I just did not understand why God brought me through that, and yet I know that I was only in the middle of the story. I didn't know that at the time and -- but I had to be open that God was going to work in a different way than I had planned. </p>
<p>I never prayed to get married at 49 years old. That was not a prayer when I was a little girl, and yet that was the perfect time for me because of what God did. I didn't ever pray not to have a biological child, but to raise another woman's child, and that's how motherhood came to me.</p>
<p>So when we release the package that we want God's answers to come in, then we free him up to answer the way he wants, which always involves other people and something much bigger than we have planned.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Oh, that way all can experience his presence and see his work.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Yes.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> So just to clarify, so you're saying there was a closed door earlier in your life with a broken engagement. And, y'all, what terrible hard timing that is. I can only imagine. But then the open door was later at age 49 when you actually did marry. Is that correct?</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Yes.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Remarkable.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> And I was 42 when I got engaged the first time, so you can imagine, you know, my mom was so thrilled to have both showers.</p>
<p>But the other thing that made my story very unique is my fiancé was deployed, and in the course of his deployment his ex-wife, who had left him, began to write him. And so when he came back, we broke up and they remarried. Which I always say was an incredible God story, honestly, when two people can find their way back together. I just didn't care for my part in the story.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> No. I wouldn't either.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> I mean, I just -- because I was so -- I had wanted it for so long and felt like God had brought it to me finally. And everybody did. And it was humiliating on top of all the things, and yet now -- now, in retrospect, when I look back and see what God did five years later -- and honestly, it was through a move. And that's why I talk about those open doors. </p>
<p>I got a random call, four months after my engagement broke up, from a pastor who I'd known for years up in Santa Barbara who had planted a new church, and he was calling because they were praying about a new position. And I honestly was not looking for a job. But he said, "Your name came up." And because my life had just fallen apart, I looked at the timing of this and I said, "I need to check this out at least."</p>
<p>And I moved to Santa Barbara, which everyone said there's no single people in Santa Barbara. Which is kind of true, Jennifer. But I knew God was calling me there. And lo and behold, five years later, a man who also had -- his wife left him, which was another whole story altogether. </p>
<p>So we went very, very slow and became friends. He had a little boy who was six. And she ended up moving to Australia, meeting someone from Australia, and so I really got the opportunity to raise this boy, who is now 22 today. And he's a Marine and he is leading worship at a church where he serves in Yuma, Arizona. </p>
<p>And so the big story had so much more than me involved, because this church community that raised him, because I went to work at a church and we raised him in that church and all the things that God did.</p>
<p>And that's why I invite the reader to look back at things that they probably haven't seen in their lives, or noticed or taken note of, to just see how incredible God is, and that he's still writing stories today that you are a part of. And I always say -- my trademark phrase is if you got up this morning and you're still breathing, God is not through with your story. And so I -- you know, look and see what he has in mind for you, because he always has something in mind.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> That's so good, Laurie. I mean, I've already gleaned -- I mean, just -- the beauty of this concept that God is about the macro and sometimes we only see the micro.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Yes.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> And the micro can be devastating, you know.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Yes.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> But that's why you mentioned God being the God of the rearview mirror. Just look back and see his faithfulness.</p>
<p>Okay, I want to circle back to something, because you kind of just -- well, you alluded to it, and then you almost -- you illustrated it a little, but I want to go deeper. You talked about timing and coincidences -- okay -- as a way to see God's presence. So you've given us a little glimpse of how you've experienced somewhat of the timing of God's presence. I'm curious about coincidences. Can we trust them? I mean, is that a thing? Talk to me.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Well, let me -- let me share a story. And, you know, it's funny, "coincidence" is a word we use to secularize what can't be explained. You know, why did you show up at the same time as this person or -- we see that in Joseph's life a lot in the Old Testament. </p>
<p>Because, you know, he happened to be sold -- well, you know, his brothers sell him into slavery because they're jealous of him. He happened to be sold to an Egyptian official and so he was positioned when Potiphar's wife cried rape. Which, you know, was so unfair for Joseph because he was such a good guy. He ends up in jail. </p>
<p>Here are these dreams of leadership. He's thinking, what in the world, Lord? Yet he ends up in prison, which is the Pharaoh's prison. So he sent his officials there and they happened to be there at the same time. And all these things, as you look back on Joseph's story -- which I invite you to do. I invite you to look at several people in Scripture and also contemporary stories.</p>
<p>But what happened to me was when I was engaged to Jerry and then married to him, he had actually raised two step kids because he was a second husband. It was his first marriage, but her second. And so the daughter wasn't speaking to him when we married, and it broke his heart because he literally was her dad. I mean, he raised her. </p>
<p>And I ended up speaking at the college that she had previously attended. She wasn't there anymore. But I had a speaking engagement, and that day she happened to be visiting a friend. And her friend was in chapel and texted her and said, "I think your stepdad's wife is speaking in chapel right now."</p>
<p>And she tells me to this day, she does not know what came over her, but she got dressed and she came to chapel and she stood in line to meet me. And when I heard who she was, I hugged her without thinking because we had been praying for her so much. And then I was like, uh-oh, I wonder if she wonders why I'm doing this.</p>
<p>But it ended up through our friendship brought Jerry and his daughter back together. And then she wanted to see Jordan and -- you know, because he was her brother. And so we started doing coffees very slowly. She moved to Santa Barbara, we had weekend breakfasts together. He ended up taking her out on a father-daughter date on her 25th birthday. And today she has a daughter, who's two years old, and we're grandparents to that little girl and she is the light of our lives. And so all of this happened because I happened to speak the same day that she happened to be visiting a friend.</p>
<p>So I think -- it doesn't always happen that way, Jennifer, but I think we all know that there were times that we showed up somewhere or met someone, or someone introduced us to someone, or some things happened that God was involved in that could be considered coincidences. So that's kind of that part of the chapter that I invite the reader to see.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> I love it.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> But again, there's so many different avenues to all of these things. And what I do in the book -- it's not just a book of questions. It's a book of stories, Bible passages, all the things that will lead you into your own journey of finding your God stories, which is something -- I know you have probably heard this too. But after I speak, I would hear people say, "Oh, my gosh, your stories are so incredible." And I'm like, "You have them too. You just don't --</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Exactly.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> -- you don't make a living excavating your stories like we do as speakers."</p>
<p>And so this is my gift to the reader, the listener, the person who's listened to other people's stories, to find their own, because they all have them. And so I'm really hoping people will pick this up and have it on their shelves as something that they can refer to again and again. Matter of fact, I don't know if you saw this, but at the end of the book, there's actually a stone pile on one of the --</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Okay, don't go there. Don't go there.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Okay, I won't. I'm not going there. Okay.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Here's why. Here's why I don't want you to go there --</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> No problem.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> -- because that's my last question. I did. And I want to leave them with that. Ooh, that was a good teaser, Laurie.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Okay, that was a teaser. That was a little preview.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> We just set them up, that's right. Okay, because I was gonna -- I'm glad you are segueing into this because this was the direction I wanted to go. We are forgetful people. So in your book, I noticed that you have a lot of reflection questions. It's like a space to write. It's almost like a chance to journal and experience and write down your own narrative of your God story, like you said, because -- I'm so glad you're doing that. This is what God does for all of us.</p>
<p>So why -- tell us why it is so important that we document these moments where we experience God's presence. Why is that so crucial to us?</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Honestly, Jennifer, all we have to do is think about ourselves after church when we've been moved, or after a talk when we've been moved, or after a conversation when we've been moved, and notice what happens to us one day later, one hour later. We forget everything.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Yes.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> I don't know -- I think it's because life is so full with so many things and so many relationships and so many responsibilities and feelings that come up and all the things that distract us from remembering. That's why God has it in Scripture that that word is repeated again and again and again. </p>
<p>We laugh at the Israelites because we go, how could they possibly forget that the Red Sea parted? I mean, why are they complaining in the desert that they don't have food? And why -- you know, poor Moses, I cannot believe -- I would never be that way if I was in the wilderness. And yet I have come to realize that I would be exactly that way --</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Yeah.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> -- just on the basis of how much I forget about God. And I know that because I get worried still. I mean, I speak about this stuff and I still get concerned. Oh, no, I don't know. What's God gonna do here? I'm not sure.</p>
<p>And I think it's because we live so much in the future, which is not where God is. God is in the present. He is the great I Am, and he is with you at every given moment. And if we're living too much in the future in our minds, then we're not staying where God is. He is outside of time, so he knows what's going to happen. But we live within time, and so it's about trusting him every moment. </p>
<p>And every time I start getting concerned about something that might happen, I'm realizing that I'm not remembering that about God, that God wants to lead me in the here and now. And so there's so many things we need to remember.</p>
<p>And honestly, the reason -- this is the only book I didn't do the audio on because I want readers to pick this book up and have it on their shelf. It's going to be kind of retro, because we all type now. We don't even write. And it's not a pressure on how much to write in the book. I just want to be clear about that. You can write one word in a lot of these spaces. </p>
<p>But you know that when you're reading a book and something touches you, you know, you tend to underline it or write in the margins? This book just invites you to do that because you're part of this book. It's your experience that you are excavating so that you can go back when you're worried, when you don't see what God is doing, and remember how he has worked in your life and that he will do that again.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> That's so good. That's such a beautiful invitation. And I appreciate you providing a resource that's going to make that easy. It really will. It will become a journal, a reflection, and a remembrance. Because as we just talked about, and you illustrated well already with the Israelites, so forgetful.</p>
<p>Okay, so now let's move to them. Because what you are about to talk about and what you talk about in the book, which I loved, is how the Israelites, you know, have these piles of stones, their altars. And the reason they have these, it's, like, commemorating evidence of God's presence. So I want you to unpack that and then give us an understanding of what our modern-day pile of stones can be and how can we start.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> Yes. Well, I love this so much, because I like to picture Israelites after those stone piles were made. And the stone piles were essentially altars. Like we see that in Jacob whenever he met the Lord, like he had that dream and he built a stone pillar altar. And then he returned to that pillar altar later in his life. </p>
<p>And so I love to picture the Israelites, because they walked everywhere they went, going through spaces where they would see these stone piles, these makeshift altars that people made when God met them in that place, and how it must have encouraged them to see that.</p>
<p>It's kind of when we see churches today, or other camps that we have gone to that have been precious to our lives, or spaces that we have tended to meet God. Every time we're in that space again, we go, oh, I just feel differently when I'm here. You know, I used to speak to kids all the time, and they kind of felt like God lived at camp --</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Yes, yes.</p>
<p><b>Lori Polich Short:</b> -- you know? And then they'd go home to their real lives, so they always wanted to return every summer. And God went with them home, but we feel him more in certain places. And so that's how I think of these stone altars.</p>
<p>And so I was thinking in the book, how can I replicate that in some way? And so what I do at the very end of the book is -- there is a stone pile. It's one page in the book. And there are blank spaces where you can take one thing from each chapter and put that in a stone. And it's probably the biggest thing you saw in that chapter of how God met you in that way. </p>
<p>And so that if you just want to come back to this book, to one page to remember, that will be your page. And you can just mark it and just look at these things and remember how God has worked in your life, and he is faithful, and he is working even if you can't see him.</p>
<p>You know, that is the problem with God in some ways, is that he's invisible. And so we see him through his effects, just like the air that we breathe or the thoughts that we have or the wind. You know, we see it blowing through the trees, but we don't see the actual substance. And that's what causes people to be frustrated, I think. You know, how do we know God exists if he's invisible? And, of course, we know through Jesus. </p>
<p>But I think our experience of the Holy Spirit and the invisible God that is present with us, we have to look through different things than our eyes. And you know that very well. I mean, you know, to see things in other ways that God has given us. And this is one of those ways, through our memory, through remembering, and through knowing that God is faithful. And we need that reminder again and again. </p>
<p>And so that's why I want this book to be something that people can keep on their shelf. And it's thin and little and it's got that cool cover, so I'm just praying and hoping it finds its way into people's hands that need this reminder.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> As Laurie so beautifully explained, because God is invisible, sometimes it can be hard to really grasp his presence -- right? -- in our lives. But we got to see him through what he does in our lives. We have to look for him through just these different perspectives and views than just our eyes, of course, to see him. This was good, KC.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> So good. We need to create our own pile of stones, right?</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> Yeah, yeah.</p>
<p><b>KC Wright:</b> One of the best ways to see him is through remembering. We remember he was faithful, and he will be faithful. I always say all the time, he's never let me down, he's not gonna start today. So look for him. Look back in the rearview mirror and see his faithfulness. He's so faithful and he loves you.</p>
<p>All right. Go to the Show Notes at 413podcast.com/403 to read the full transcript and get Laurie's book. Plus, you can get Jennifer's book "Fingerprints of God" Bible study too. And speaking of that wonderful Bible study, let's listen in as Jennifer sings us out. It's one of my favorite things. I love it when she sings. Keep your spiritual eyes open today, my friends, because you too will see his fingerprints on your life.</p>
<p><b>Jennifer Rothschild:</b> (Singing) Heavy burden, 'neath a load of guilt and shame.<br />
Then the hand of Jesus touched me, and now I am no longer the same.<br />
He touched me, oh, he touched me. And, oh, the joy that floods my soul.<br />
Something happened and now I know, he touched me and made me whole.<br />
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.</p>
<p>Since I met this blessed Savior, since he cleansed and made me whole,<br />
I will never cease to praise him, I'll shout it while eternity rolls.<br />
He touched me, oh, he touched me, and oh, the joy that floods my soul.<br />
Something happened and now I know, he touched me and made me whole.</p>
<p>Oh, I see his fingerprints. Oh, yeah. Oh, I see his fingerprints.<br />
He touched me, oh, Jesus touched me, and, oh, the joy that floods my soul.<br />
Something happened and now I know, I know, he touched me and made me whole.<br />
And made me whole.</p>

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