4:13 Podcast: Can I Get Out of the Spin Cycle of Habitual Sin? With Kirby Kelly [Episode 341]

Kirby Kelly: It sounds extreme, but sin is extreme. And if you have dealt with it and you've been stuck in it for so long, it might take a little bit of extreme setting up certain boundaries in order to enable you to live free five months from now, three years from now, ten years from now, whatever. Like, it is worth it, and we have to be humble and honest about where we are at today so that we can grow and become who Christ has called us and created us to be.

Jennifer Rothschild: Are you tired of being stuck in the same self-defeating sin cycle? Well, today you can be free. On this episode of The 4:13, author Kirby Kelly is going to give you a real-life battle plan to break the spiritual bondage of habitual sin. Ooh, this is going to be honest, full of grace, and super practical. You're going to love this. So ready, set, let's get free.

KC Wright: Welcome to the 4:13 Podcast, where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you up to live the "I Can" life, because -- here's truth -- you can truly do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

Now, would you welcome your host, Jennifer Rothschild.

Jennifer Rothschild: Hey, guys. We're glad you're here today. Thank you for letting us show up in your ears and in your heart and in your car and on your walk, or wherever you are listening to this. We are super thankful that you trust us and allow us in, so thank you for that. And we're talking about something today that's a little bit personal: sin. But I want you to know this is such an interesting and good conversation.

And, you know, KC, Kirby tells this story about what happened when she was in college, and it got me to thinking. When I was in college, I remember I was roommates with Jill. And we loved the Lord and we were part of a campus Bible study. And I don't know what prompted it, because I can't remember for now, but for whatever reason, Jill and I thought we needed to keep a sin list.

KC Wright: Oh, no.

Jennifer Rothschild: So we had these two lists. She had a sin list; I had a sin list. Mine was shorter than Jill's, may I add. No, I'm just kidding. But we each had a sin list on either side of the back of the door. There was like one of those long door mirrors, you know?

KC Wright: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: So hers was on one side, mine was on the other. And every time that we sinned --

KC Wright: Oh, my goodness.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- we would write it down.

KC Wright: Whoa.

Jennifer Rothschild: Now, I can't remember why we did that. Now, I'm not saying it was a bad thing, but I don't think it was a necessarily complete and thorough spiritual activity. Because Jesus died for those sins, those sins are canceled and erased. But I guess what we were trying to do was discover any habitual sins. And I remember at one point finally just we were like, "Wait a minute, what about grace?" and so we tore up our lists and threw them away. Because that's true, we are forgiven. But I just think it's interesting that we had the need to write down our habitual sins.

So the only reason I tell you this is when we talk about sin today and the habit of sin -- because it can be a habit. It can be a stronghold. I mean, David even said in the Book of Psalms, I think it was Psalm 51, "My sin is ever before me." It's like we never forget the flavor of our sin, and we have an appetite for it, and so sometimes without the intervention of the Holy Spirit and the grace of God and the power of his Spirit, we can get into a spin cycle. And it's so self-defeating.

But there is hope today, my people. There is hope. And so I'm really glad that Kirby is just super honest. And she's going to be very honest about certain sins, a sin in particular that really caught her up into a stronghold and sin cycle. And sadly, I think it is a sin that affects many of us. So you're going to want to hear this conversation and you want to get free today, so let's meet Kirby.

KC Wright: Kirby Kelly is a speaker and podcast host from Dallas, Texas. She's been creating Christian content for well over a decade on a multitude of platforms. Together with her husband, she equips ministries with creative media strategies and engaging content to reach the masses with the joy, truth, and message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

All right. This is going to be really good, so pull up a chair. There's room at the table for you. Here is Jennifer and Kirby.

Jennifer Rothschild: All right, Kirby. I love that we're talking about sin, one of everyone's favorite subjects, whether we want to admit it or not, because we all struggle with it. So we all can feel stuck, right? From time to time we can feel stuck in these patterns. And then, like, hallelujah, we get unstuck and everything's okay. But then there's other sin habits, like some that can almost last for a lifetime. There's these cycles that no matter what we do, they just seem stronger than us and stronger than our faith. So explain why that is a thing.

Kirby Kelly: Well, habitual sin struggles, everybody deals with them, whether it is the same sin or whether it is stepping into new seasons. We are human, and the reality is is that we live in a broken world. We were given this gift of free will, and we can use it to submit to the Lord, walk in his will, his way, the abundant life that he has for us, or, just because of our own sinful desires, our own sinful and willful nature, the counterfeits of this world that the enemy just lays before us, it can be so easy to believe that those desires that we have within us that can only truly be met satisfied in the Lord. The enemy is so good at convincing us that we can have those needs, those desires, those wants and wishes met by the things of this world. But the reality is is that they fail to compare. They never truly satisfy. And if you're anything like me and you've ever struggled with sin, you know that at the end of the day, it only leads you to feel more empty, more broken, and yearning for more, yearning for more, but never finding that true wealth of satisfaction, that true thing.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Kirby Kelly: But Jesus is the only true thing, right? We know in Scripture that he is the way, he is the truth, and he is the life. And so in my book "You Can Be Free," my hope and my heart in sharing my own story is that people can look at this sin that they're stuck in, that they're facing -- even the shame of past sins too -- and to be able to walk in the freedom and fullness that is actually found in a life that is submitted and committed to Jesus.

Jennifer Rothschild: That's so good. I mean, when you're describing that -- I mean, I know it well because it's all of our story. But it reminds me of sugar, you know? Sugar is so [audio cuts out] --

Kirby Kelly: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- right? And we're like, Oh, I'll feel so much better if I have it. And we want it, and it's tantalizing, and it's all good, and then 30 minutes later we're like, Why did I do that? That's what sin is.

But just like we get addicted to sugar, we can have these -- what you called habitual sin, these habits that almost -- you know, they're so hard. So tell me -- and you can be as personal as you choose. But give us an example of what one of those has been for you, that you have really seen how the Lord has helped you through.

Kirby Kelly: Definitely. Well, if anybody were to read the book or to even just look at my social media -- because it's all I've been talking about with all my press tour stuff -- the habitual sin that I struggled with -- in silence might I add, just completely off the grid, nobody knew about this thing, it was just me and the Lord truly up until now, because I lead with this story in my book -- I struggled with pornography. And was exposed to it when I was four years old, exposed to it again when I was seven years old, and exposed to it again when I was ten years old. And it was at ten years old that this thing that I was, you know, unwillingly exposed to developed into this desire within me of willfully seeking it out.

And so since I was ten years old, I was struggling with a porn addiction, to put it plainly. And I know that that can be really uncomfortable to hear someone so openly admit that that was what they struggled with, especially as a woman. I think that there's even this stigma that that is the, quote/unquote, boy sin, that only boys struggle with those kinds of things, with lust, with all that. But the reality is is that sin is sin, and sin does not discriminate. The enemy does not discriminate. And so I've struggled with this thing -- or I struggled with this thing since I was ten. Got saved when I was 14.

And some of the habits, some of the ways of thinking, some of the ways of acting and living my life just easily fell off when I had this radical moment with the Lord. But there were some sin struggles that continued to just cling close to me, and this was one of them, this habitual sin of watching pornography. And for me as a new Christian, a new believer, it was really easy to believe this idea of, well, I need to be perfect, I can never struggle again. And the fact that I was still struggling with this sin, it caused me to doubt my salvation, it caused me to doubt if God really loved me, if he forgave me, if he would even use me in ministry. Because I was still struggling with this thing, even though so desperately I was trying out of my own strength, out of my own might to get free, to stay free, but I would continue to fall into this sin habit, right?

And it wasn't until my freshman year at Dallas Baptist University, I joined a Christian sorority, and we did this really cool activity called Stand For Your Sister -- and I detail this in Chapter 2 -- where we did this activity where we all filled out an anonymous survey of different things that we were struggling with or had struggled with. I mean -- and these were blanket statements too, like "I use alcohol to cope with the pain," "I'm sleeping with my boyfriend," "I've had an abortion before," "I struggle with watching pornography." I mean, this was some people's most secret list that was just written on this piece of paper.

And we all went through and circled "true" or "false," if that applied to us, anonymously, so I think that helped me to be honest with the areas where I circled "true." And we crumpled up these pieces of paper, we threw them across the room, picked up a random girl's, and we did this activity where we stood in place of our sister who circled "true."

And it was so powerful to see so many women stand up and just represent one another in the room that we all have struggles. And when it came to "I struggle with pornography," I genuinely was expecting one person to stand up, representing me, out of the 60 women in this room. And to my surprise, I looked down on my paper, and the girl that I chose, she had "true" circled on hers, so I was like, okay, two people are going to be standing up. Great. But to my surprise, I look around the room, half of the room is standing up, like 25, 30 girls out of the 60 women there. And for the first time in my life, I realized I'm not alone in this. I'm not alone in my sin, I'm not alone in my struggle. Maybe the stories and the path to getting where we made decisions looks a little different, but nonetheless, a lot of us struggle the same. And that was kind of the catalyst of me realizing I'm not alone.

And after talking with a sorority sister who was very open about her own freedom journey and victory journey with pornography, I actually had hope for the first time in my life that I could get free. And that I wasn't doing it right for so many years, but with the power of Christ and with the truth of the Gospel, I was able to -- over trial and error, over some years and tears, I was able to get free from this habitual sin struggle that I felt enslaved to for so long.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, okay, Kirby. There's so much here. So first of all let me tell you this: I admire and appreciate you sharing this.

Kirby Kelly: Thank you.

Jennifer Rothschild: Because just like in that group of 60 women there were far more than just one who struggled with this particular sin, it's the same with our audience. And so I hope that someone listening right now, who's like, oh, my gosh, that is my sin struggle and I don't want to tell anybody, I hope you hear what Kirby just said. Now you have hope to know you're not alone. And if God can set her free, God can set you free. And you just mentioned very briefly trial and error, years and tears. We're going to talk through a little bit of that, of how -- the practical ways that the Lord strategized with you to help set you free.

But we want to start with the reality that everybody struggles. And, you know, like David said in the Psalms, "My sin is ever before me." So instead of just letting the enemy shame you, let's right now just start with the recognition of grace. Grace, grace, grace. Okay. So first of all, that's one thing I just got to say, Kirby, I admire and appreciate you sharing that.

Now, secondly -- okay? In a minute I want us to talk a little bit about the power of that community situation. But before we get there, let's just start here, because somebody might right now be feeling they've got this bright spotlight from the Holy Spirit over them. And I hope it's a warm spotlight of comfort, not of isolation, because God reveals to heal, not to shame.

Okay. So let's say that someone right now has realized -- maybe it's not pornography. Maybe it's profanity, maybe it -- whatever it is, whatever -- gluttony, right? I mean, that's a sin cycle. We've all had our sin cycles. So whatever it is that the Holy Spirit is pointing out, what's the first step? What's the first step once you recognize, oh, my goodness, the Holy Spirit just mercifully identified a sin cycle to me? What's the first step now that you have experienced this identification? What do we do now in this moment?

Kirby Kelly: Well, in those moments, I know it can definitely feel like, I'm being exposed, I'm being put on blast. I want to go, I want to run, I want to hide. Don't do that. When we look at Genesis even, when they were naked, when they were exposed and they had shame, they ran from the Lord. Adam and Eve, they ran -- they tried to cover themselves. And I think one of the most beautiful pictures that we get from this moment is God asks his first question to humanity, and it's, "Where are you?" Where are you? Where are you hiding? Come out of hiding really.

And so the first thing that we need to do is to come out of hiding and to confess really, to confess our sin. To acknowledge our sin and to confess it. And here's the thing. That is not an easy thing to do. Confess your sin, your deepest, darkest thing? Like, well, what will they think? And what might God think? And it's so easy to go down the spiral of just -- of what if, what if, what if, and being perceived. I totally get that. You know why? Because I've been there. I totally get it.

But for me, what it looked like for me was -- I was in a godly community, this sorority group -- and I encourage you all to pray that the Lord would reveal to you, is there a community of people, or even one person in my life, who either, A, knows the Lord and loves the Lord deeply, or, B, knows the Lord and loves the Lord deeply and has also experienced freedom in that specific area. I know not every one of us has access to people who have walked the exact same stories and exact same steps as us. But if you even know somebody who has professed that they have seen victory in the Lord in one way or another, go to that person. Pray that the Lord would allow for there to be a connection point.

But also take the initiative to meet with that person and to confess. Because here's the thing, there's two people that we need to confess to. One is the Lord. We need to acknowledge our sin. We need to acknowledge that we have sinned against a Holy God. But we also need to remember what 1 John 1:12 says, that he is faithful and just to forgive us of all sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. Like, I could go off on that Scripture for days, honestly, because it is so powerful. So there's power and there's forgiveness that happens. There's reconciliation, redemption with God, being right before the Lord when we confess our sins and acknowledge that we need Jesus. Jesus is the only way that we can receive forgiveness and be righteous before the Lord. So confess before the Lord for forgiveness.

But also it talks about in the Word that we need to confess before Godly community, because it's there that we experience healing. And so I know from my story -- I gave my life to the Lord when I was 14, like I said, and I would come before the Lord after I would sin, whether it was days, weeks, months since the last time I fell into sin, and he would forgive me every single time. New morning mercies. But I didn't experience full healing from this thing until I brought it before community. Because they surrounded me, they prayed for me. Yes, they met me with truth and they pointed me towards correction, obviously, that's what good community does. But they also met me with love and with grace and with compassion. They met me where I was. They didn't shame me and blame me and throw lies and labels on me, no. They called me higher to walk in the freedom and fullness and the newness of life and the abundant life that Christ has for me, the freedom he has for me. And that requires throwing off sin, fleeing from sin, allowing what has been nailed to the cross to remain in the grave, right? Like, the newness of life is here. And so confessing to community, even if it's one person.

Because it started with just one person for me. Slowly but surely, I began to confess to more and more people in my life with who I needed accountability with, with who I just felt I was led to share these things with, to just be prayed for. I was so surprised at how surrounded and loved and supported I was, not to continue in sin, but to flee from sin with godly Christian community. And I prayed for that, I used discernment with who I disclosed these things to, and I'm better because of it. I'm not just forgiven because of it, but I'm also healed because of it.

Jennifer Rothschild: That's so good. And there is such power in community. And when you think about it, Kirby, sin thrives in isolation and in the dark.

Kirby Kelly: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: But it's very hard for sin to continue to thrive in the light. And your confession brings it into the light, which does take courage. So as you mentioned, it was a godly community. We don't just, you know, throw pearls to swine and tell everybody everything all the time. And so I appreciate the discernment that the Holy Spirit gave you to know to whom to share.

And so one of the things I'm struck by -- because when there's a habit, then -- it's almost like when we've gotten accustomed to something in our flesh, whether it's pornography, whether it's gluttony, alcohol misuse, or profanity, or anything like that that's a habitual sin, there's always the temptation, even -- I mean, I would think even when the cycle is broken, there's still a temptation. So you talk about something in your book that I want you to unpack for us: green and red zones. Okay. What are they, and do they help us manage walking in the newness of life?

Kirby Kelly: Definitely. So in the book, I talk about your green light zones and your red light zones. And so I use this as kind of like a depiction of what is permissible and what is not. Where do I draw the line with what I will allow and what I will just completely set aside, whether it's permanently or whether it's just for this season as I build these discipline muscles -- right? -- as I build strength in denying the flesh, as I abide in the things of Christ and get right with God in the simple things, truly. Because it starts there. Like, do I even know who I am in Christ? Do I even know the goodness of God? Do I even recognize what sin and the enemy is? Like, we need that foundation of faith and understanding first.

And so with the green light and red light zones, I feel like one of the best words that I could use to describe this is even -- boundaries. And I know sometimes we shutter at the word boundaries, like it's this restrictive thing that there's nothing good when there's a boundary, that all the fun is on the other side. But truthfully, boundaries, biblical Godly boundaries, provide us with peace, protection, and freedom. Like, when we really look into why God says yes and why God says no, it's for our good and it's for his glory. And so we need to get honest with ourselves about where we have made allowances in our own life, whether it is crossing a biblical boundary, a mandate that God has set, a command that God has given us. Have we violated one of those things? We need to analyze that in our own life.

But also we need to analyze what are the things that might be okay but should not be permissible for me, knowing where I have a lean, knowing where I continue to fall, knowing where I have struggled in the past. It's hard. It's hard, and we need to be completely honest with ourselves. For me -- just as an example as maybe the gears start turning for other people with what a green light and a red light zone might be, for me, I had to sit down and be like, okay, Kirby, where do you struggle? What is the sin struggle? It's pornography. In this season it's pornography. Okay. What should belong in the red light zone, at least for right now, as I grow in godly disciplines, grow in my faith, and take this freedom thing seriously? It looked like shutting off my phone at a certain time, literally leaving my phone and all electronics in another room. Downloading certain apps, Covenant Eyes, downloading certain apps and programs so that I wouldn't be able to access certain things.

I was also lucky enough to be attending a university at the time, and my university had plenty of computers. So even for a period of time, using my own computer was in the red light zone. I just wasn't going to do it. I wasn't going to go there, because I knew that if I was scrolling on social media or doing something, I had full access to look up whatever I wanted. But on the university computers, they had all these web blockers, they had all these things, so, like, the temptation couldn't even be fulfilled in those certain ways.

So the boundary should not just be clicking on the website. The boundary for me was ten steps back. I'm removing my electronics, I'm allowing for certain things to just go in this zone for right now as I build my discipline and I build my resistance to these things by engaging and falling in love with Jesus and the truth of the Gospel and seeing sin for what it actually is, is this horrendous thing, not to shame us, but to steer us clear from the things that aren't beneficial to us.

Jennifer Rothschild: Call it out, yeah.

Kirby Kelly: Exactly, calling it out.

So for me, there were things that perpetually, to this day, are still in the red light zone. I have certain apps deleted from my phone, I have restrictions on certain websites and certain keyword searches. Those are things that perpetually live there, not because I'm still struggling with that to this day, but why even be led into temptation? Why even dance with the devil? You know what I mean? So those things perpetually live there.

But over time, as I have developed a true sight for the things that are good and the things that are evil and have just fallen in love with Jesus and have grown in my resistance to sin and have just been sanctified in this area, things have been able to be moved out of the red light zone into the green light zone. So things that are back in the green light zone are using my computer, having my own electronics, not needing to check in with people every single day and tell them the things that I was looking up online. Like, I was very serious about those boundaries and those green light and red light zones. And it sounds extreme, but sin is extreme.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Kirby Kelly: And if you have dealt with it and you've been stuck in it for so long, it might take a little bit of extreme setting up certain boundaries in order to enable you to live free five months from now, three years from now, ten years from now, whatever. Like, it is worth it. And we have to be humble and honest about where we are at today so that we can grow and become who Christ has called us and created us to be.

Jennifer Rothschild: It's funny you said we have to be humble and honest, because that's what I was thinking as you spoke. It requires humility.

You know, I had an older friend, Luci Swindoll, and one time she said something to me that I've never forgotten, and it applies to this. She said, "People don't change till they're sick of themselves."

Kirby Kelly: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: And I think once you -- it's like having poison in your kitchen and you're thirsty, so you pick up that bottle to drink it. There's a recognition that finally has to come with, wait a minute. There's a momentary buzz, but the whole habit thing, just not working for me. It's killing me. So setting up those red light zones and the green light zones and showing the progression, that's really -- wow, that's super.

Okay. So we're going to get us, though, Kirby -- and I'm so thankful you've written this book. I can tell it's laced with grace and practical strategy. So we're going to get, though, to our last question here. So let me just set it up this way. So for me personally, when I really am seeking to break a habit, change a habit, it's almost easier for me to find a replacement habit, like, to fill the gap. Okay? In order to be able to break a habit, I replace it with a better habit. And I think in some ways you're kind of suggesting this, so I want you to unpack this and end with how we do this. Okay? So let's talk about truth and a mind makeover when it comes to these sin habits. So how does replacing the nonsense, the sin, with a truthful habit or a mind makeover, how can that make a difference and how could we start that?

Kirby Kelly: Oh, it makes such a difference. Because I think so many of us are not only engaging in sin, but truthfully, our minds are just laced with lies, lies about who the enemy is, about our sin. We're so convinced that it is serving us, but it's actually stealing from us when we actually take a step back and we see the pattern, what sin has done in our lives. I know in my own life, it took a lot of innocence away from me. It put a lot of shame in my life. And I even look to my own parents' lives. Both of my parents were addicts. They were alcoholics. And just looking at their lives, even from an outsider view, it's like I can just see that this thing is stealing from you more than it is serving you and helping you and healing you. Sin does not do that. Struggle does not do that. Only the Lord can.

And so for me, even just in observing people struggle with that and then looking to my own life soberly and humbly, I realized I need to know what is true. And it talks about that in Philippians 4:8, that we need to dwell on what is true. That is so important that we have a foundation, like I mentioned earlier, of truth. And I talk about this very early on in the book, because we need to start here foundationally, of knowing who the enemy is. We really need to see him for what he is, for who he is, and how he is not on your side, that he is not your best friend, that there is not a party in hell. No, the enemy is not on your side. And the things and the tactics that he is using against you are not to serve you, but to steal from you.

I talk about how we need to have an accurate and biblical understanding of who God is, because so many of us are believing in a God who isn't. And we need to believe in the God who is, who he says he is in his Word, because that will transform us into being who he called and created us to be. And that in and of itself, just being transformed by Christ, being renewed in our mind by the truth. I mean, being renewed in our mind affects what we believe, what we say, what we think, what we do, and that changes -- even just at the baseline, changing our thoughts and our hearts, allowing those things to be aligned with the truth and be changed by the truth, it completely changes what we do, at a small level and at a grandiose level.

I talk about in the book that infants aren't track stars, and neither am I. Right? Like, I have a whole section on that, about running the race, that so many of us think that I have to get it right all the time. Friend, spend time with Jesus today. Like, really spend time meditating on the Word, studying the Word, memorizing the Word, applying the Word to your life.

I talk about all sorts of godly disciplines in my book: getting in the Word, practicing prayer, integrating fasting, seeking stillness and solitude, exercising confession, partaking in worship, pursuing community. I go into deep detail about all those things, but I really want to emphasize getting in the Word, because the Word sets us free. The truth sets us free. And when we have clarity and understanding and a knowing for the things that are true and that are good, we can't help but spit out the poison because it's like, wait, I've actually tasted what is good, what is true. I don't want this counterfeit anymore now that I see the effects of it on my life, in my relationships, in the day-to-day, looking at the past of what could have been.

Well, then let's change today so we can pursue what is for us in Christ. And it starts with reading the Word and allowing that to just saturate our lives and our minds. That's what it means to renew our mind, to get in the Word daily and to allow Jesus to reveal more of who he is to us, and that is only through spirit and truth. Intimacy with the Lord and the illumination of his Word, that's what true worship is, and that's where true revival and renewal happens in our own lives and in our own minds. So that's where it begins.

Jennifer Rothschild: And you know what? That is also where it ends, in the Word, always.

Kirby Kelly: True.

Jennifer Rothschild: Kirby said spit out the poison because you have tasted something better. I love that. I love that phrase.

KC Wright: We sure have tasted something better: intimacy with God and the illumination of his holy, precious written Word. That is what we need. And you need her book.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.

KC Wright: So go to the Show Notes at 413podcast.com/341. But really, the best thing you can do for you is go to the Show Notes, where you can get all the things. All the things.

Jennifer Rothschild: All the things.

KC Wright: Yeah. Right there is a transcript written just for you. 413podcast.com/341. That's where it's at.

All right. We're done today, sadly. Don't go, please.

Jennifer Rothschild: Come back next week.

KC Wright: Listen to us again.

Jennifer Rothschild: Come back next week.

KC Wright: Remember the truth from today and break that sin cycle. I'm telling you, God is so good. Sin steals from you --

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

KC Wright: -- so stop letting the devil steal from you.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.

KC Wright: You can really do all things through Christ who gives you supernatural strength to overcome all the sins in our lives. I know I can.

Jennifer Rothschild: I can.

Jennifer and KC: And you can.

Jennifer Rothschild: Did you hear that? I said it like, "Yes, you can."

KC Wright: You can.

Jennifer Rothschild: You can. Sin ain't the boss of you.

KC Wright: Hey, I want to share this Scripture. It's from Jude 1:24. And it always reminds me -- when someone says habitual sin, I think of Jude 1:24. Which, by the way, y'all should read the Book of Jude.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. It's one chapter.

KC Wright: I know.

Jennifer Rothschild: It's easy.

KC Wright: It's so powerful.

Jennifer Rothschild: It's so good.

KC Wright: Read Jude today. But listen to this. "To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before the glorious presence without fault and with great joy."

Jennifer Rothschild: Hallelujah.