
In a world that’s hyper-focused on hustle and productivity, many of us have been taught that our worth is tied to what we do. But what if being is more valuable than doing?
Today on the 4:13, Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith—physician, spiritual mentor, and coach—shares how to embrace a life rooted not in performance but in stillness, rest, and your God-given identity. With warmth and wisdom, she offers both scientific insight and biblical truth to help you separate the worth of what you do from the infinite worth of who you are.
You’ll discover the surprising connection between stillness and mental clarity, practical ways to build a “rest ethic,” and how to break the cycle of doing. Plus, you’ll learn how to recognize the warning signs of fear-based living so you can find the courage to be vulnerable and take risks.
If you’ve ever struggled to rest or to stop proving yourself, this conversation is a gentle but powerful reminder that you are already fully known, deeply loved, and free to just “be.”
Meet Dr. Saundra
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith is a board-certified internal medicine physician and an international speaker. She’s also the award-winning author of Set Free to Live Free and Sacred Rest, as well as the host of the I Choose My Best Life podcast. Dr. Saundra lives in Alabama with her husband and their two sons.
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- Being Fully Known: The Joyful Satisfaction of Beholding, Becoming, and Belonging
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Episode Transcript
4:13 Podcast: Can I Accept Myself? With Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith [Episode 369]
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: Our culture teaches us that metrics, performance, checklist, expectations, that these are the ways we see value in things. And so if you are not pushing towards one of those types of metrics, then what is the value? We can't quantify the value in a way that we can show it to someone else and say, "Look. See what I did. Give me some accolades." But being doesn't require that. Being requires ability to see yourself as valuable without any other expectations or pressures placed upon you.
Jennifer Rothschild: The world pressures us to do. God invites us to be. Well, in today's conversation, Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith is going to be very honest and she's going to speak gently and poignantly to all of us who may fear vulnerability or rejection. Sometimes we just have a little trouble accepting ourselves. Well, she's going to use her background as a physician, a spiritual mentor, and a coach, and she's going to help us to step out of fear-based living and into a life of living fully accepted by God.
Oh, 413ers, the doctor is in, and she's got just what you need. So, KC, here we come.
KC Wright: Welcome to the 4:13 Podcast, where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you up to live the "I Can" life, because you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.
Now, welcome your host, Jennifer Rothschild.
Jennifer Rothschild: Well, hello, our dear people. Glad you're back again. Jennifer here to help you be and do more than you feel capable of as you're living the "I Can" life, along with me and my Seeing Eye Guy, KC. We're so glad you're with us --
KC Wright: Yes.
Jennifer Rothschild: -- smooshed here in the closet with two friends, one topic, which is a really good one today, and zero stress.
KC Wright: My favorite part.
Jennifer Rothschild: Listen, it is my favorite part too.
Let me just give you a quick reminder up top here. I told you last week, this is the last time that you can come to a Fresh Grounded Faith. It's retiring in just a few weeks at the end of November, so this is the end of the Grand Finale Tour.
I will be very soon, October 3rd and 4th, in The Woodlands, Texas. Then October 10th and 11th we're going to be in Callahan, Florida. And then October 24th and 25th, we'll be back in Lubbock, Texas. And then the very last Fresh Grounded Faith is going to be in Springfield, Missouri, on November 7th and 8th. Now, let me just tell you, Fresh Grounded Faith is retiring; Jennifer is not.
KC Wright: Thank you, Lord.
Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. I'll still be speaking all over the country --
KC Wright: Thank you, Father.
Jennifer Rothschild: -- but this event will be retiring. So if you've not come to one, this is the fall. Get your besties and come on. I am looking forward to just -- I get to meet so many amazing women. And, oh, my gosh, KC, I haven't told you this yet. I haven't told you the story behind it.
KC Wright: Okay.
Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. You've seen my Meta glasses, right?
KC Wright: Yes.
Jennifer Rothschild: Let me tell y'all what my Meta glasses are. Okay. These glasses are made by Meta, you know, the company who owns Facebook. They're called Metaview. And they're actually a camera and artificial intelligence attached to a pair of very hip Ray Ban sunglasses.
Okay. I had never heard of these things. But what they do is literally they can read. I went to the Johnson Museum. You know, back a few months ago I was in Texas. I went to the Johnson Museum. And I literally would look at a display and I would say, "Meta, look and read," and it would read me. Or "Meta, look and describe," and he would be, "That's Johnson signing what looks to be the Civil Rights Amendment." I mean, it was amazing.
KC Wright: Wow.
Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. It does that. Like, I'll put on my glasses and I'll be like, "Meta, describe this dress to me." "This is a black and white sundress with a" -- whatever.
KC Wright: Wow.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. It's amazing.
Okay. So I love these glasses. But what I really love about these glasses is how I got them. I get an email from a woman named Linda. Now, I call her Linda Loves the Lord, because every email I've gotten from her, she signs it "Linda Loves the Lord," so I call her Linda Loves the Lord.
KC Wright: Ahh.
Jennifer Rothschild: So I get an email from Linda Loves the Lord. And Linda -- excuse me, I'm banging my mic. Linda Loves the Lord lives in North Carolina, and she has this little Bible study group that she has -- they're across the nation, right? Some are in Georgia. They're all over the nation. And there's these women, they started in COVID doing it online together via Zoom, and they did my Heaven Bible study. Okay. So Linda Loves the Lord has just completed leading my Bible study. In the meantime, she is a nurse -- this is such a hard word to say. She is a nurse anesthetist.
KC Wright: Whoa.
Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. You know what I mean?
KC Wright: I'm impressed you spit that out.
Jennifer Rothschild: I tried. I mean, she can do the job. I can't even say the name. Okay. But anyway, she's a nurse anesthetist.
KC Wright: Wow.
Jennifer Rothschild: So she had a patient while she's leading this Bible study. And this patient was blind, and he showed her his glasses. He's like, you know, "Please take care of these," whatever, and he explains the glasses to her. Well, she's in the middle of doing my Heaven Bible study. If you're new to us, you may not know I'm blind, so this is the significance of the story.
So she's doing the Bible study. She knows Jennifer is blind, her patient is blind. The patient describes these glasses. She is mesmerized by these glasses. She writes me and says, "Have you ever heard of these? My Bible study wants to buy them for you."
KC Wright: Jennifer, that almost makes me want to cry.
Jennifer Rothschild: It made me want to cry. I was so humbled.
KC Wright: That is so beyond precious.
Jennifer Rothschild: I was so humbled. And so I was like, "Oh, my gosh, Linda, no, I didn't even know these existed, but you don't have to buy them for me, I can buy them, you know, the Lord's provided." It was so humbling. But I was like -- these women, KC, they were practically giddy about giving me these glasses. She even said, "Thank you for letting us give these to you." It was just such a picture of the Scriptural principle about the blessedness, how it's more blessed to give than to receive.
KC Wright: Yes.
Jennifer Rothschild: They literally -- I was like, I can't rob them of the blessing even if I could afford this. You know what I mean?
KC Wright: But also what I want to say real quick is you and Dr. Phil are such sowers that I'm not shocked at the harvest you're now reaping, even through Meta glasses. Because, y'all, they are the biggest givers.
Jennifer Rothschild: Well --
KC Wright: They'll never tell you that, but they are.
Jennifer Rothschild: Well -- because it's all the Lord's.
KC Wright: Right, right.
Jennifer Rothschild: But it's still humbling to receive, you know?
KC Wright: Oh, yes. Yeah.
Jennifer Rothschild: Anyway, y'all. So I wear these glasses and I think of Linda Loves the Lord and her women, and I'm like, what a beautiful picture. It was. It just inspired me to receive humbly so that others have the blessing of giving. I mean, they were so -- it was beautiful.
KC Wright: So cool.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, yeah.
KC Wright: And I've loved all the little clips from the lake --
Jennifer Rothschild: I know. Isn't it fun?
KC Wright: -- on what you're seeing.
And so if you don't know what we're talking about, follow Jenn on Instagram, and every once in a while she'll pop up there on the reels and the stories and you can see what she's seeing through these Meta glasses. But you've got to follow her on the social medias.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, you've got to. It's really fun. Sometimes it's not totally centered, but whatever. I can't see it, so y'all can be tolerant. It's fun.
All right, let's introduce the doctor.
KC Wright: Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith is a board-certified internal medicine physician and an international speaker. She's also the award-winning author of "Set Free to Live Free" and "Sacred Rest" and the host of I Choose My Best Life Podcast. Dr. Saundra lives in Ala- -- Alabama.
Jennifer Rothschild: Ala-bama. I'm not editing you. Keep going.
KC Wright: Oh, man, you're rough today.
Jennifer Rothschild: I know. I'm sorry. She lives in Alabama.
KC Wright: I'm sorry. I'm laughing.
Jennifer Rothschild: Sorry, people.
KC Wright: Dr. Saundra lives in Alabama --
Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, she does, she lives in Alabama. Ala-bama. Okay, that's enough. They don't think it's funny. Keep going.
KC Wright: Okay. She lives in Alabama with her husband and their two sons.
All right. Are you ready for this?
Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.
KC Wright: Settle in and let the conversation begin.
Jennifer Rothschild: All right, Dr. Saundra, I am so happy you're with us. And so I got to start with this, because you're a doctor and you have seen wellness and you've seen unwellness. So I want to start with this. Is there a connection between our physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual well-being? And if so, tell us about that connection.
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: Absolutely there's a connection. I think for a lot of us, we carry quite a bit of that emotional pain and the emotional joy into the other areas of our life, whether it's our emotions or even the tension that we carry, the way that we feel things within our bodies.
You know, as a physician, my background's internal medicine, so people are coming in my office, I'm seeing them in the hospital. And when someone is going through something that is spiritually taxing on them, they automatically start having other symptoms that go along with it.
And I think we have to -- and for myself, that's what actually made me start looking at both the Scripture and the science together. Because for years I just treated the person as their physical and their emotional, and there's another level of healing that only comes when we add the Spirit with it.
Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, that's fascinating. You're right, I would think, yes, there's a -- maybe I have a mental health issue and it manifests physically, or maybe I have an emotional struggle and it's manifesting physically. But I think we rarely consider it as spiritual. And so you're focusing on that connection, which I love.
And it reminds me of something I read. There was a recent article from CNBC that reveals how, like, most of us, especially in America, believe that our work is our worth. Okay? Which I think has a spiritual undertow to that. So in other words, you know, what we do is more important than who we are. So that leads to, like, all these manifestations of depression, shame, and I was surprised to even read substance abuse.
So it seems that in your new book, your remedy is this three-part framework. And the book, by the way, listeners, is called "Being Fully Known." So, Dr. Saundra, tell us about these three elements and how it impacts this.
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: Yeah. So I love the study you just referenced, because I think it is the reason why so many people right now are dealing with burnout and it's the reason why we see so many of these burnout-type symptoms, which is actually where -- this book came out of -- my initial work on the topic of rest and restorative practices biblically and scripturally is called "Sacred Rest."
In that book we talk about seven different ways that you can be exhausted, hence seven different types of rest you need for restoration. And we had a free assessment. We still have it. It's called Rest Quiz at restquiz.com.
We had over half a million people take the assessment, so we had lots and lots of data. And the data was showing that even after people understood where their deficits were, there were three areas that people kept struggling with, and that was spiritual, emotional, and social. And so in the new book you mention, "Being Fully Known," we go deeper into those three areas of rest as it relates to beholding the spiritual rest, becoming emotional rest, and belonging social rest.
Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. And I love that it's a framework. And I love that it's alliterated, because that makes it easier for us to be able to really grasp that.
And so when you think of those three areas, I see the essential nature of just being in all of those. Just being. Being. Okay. So my question, then, before we even look at those areas, is why is it so hard for most of us to simply be, just to be?
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: Our culture teaches us that metrics, performance, checklist, expectations, that these are the ways we see value in things. And so if you are not pushing towards one of those types of metrics, then what is the value? We can't quantify the value in a way that we can show it to someone else and say, "Look. See what I did. Give me some accolades." But being doesn't require that. Being requires ability to see yourself as valuable without any other expectations or pressures placed upon you.
And it's not something that we are taught. I mean, even from the moment you're in grade school, you know, you get the A's, you get the star, you get the little check metric that says this was worthy. But we have to then -- we have to really change what we view as worthy. Time in God's presence is worthy. Time sitting and allowing ourselves to see ourselves in him is worthy because that's going to actually help us to have a value that goes beyond what we do.
Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, this is hard, I think. Because there is a legitimacy to, you know, doing some work or writing a paper or getting a grade and saying this was a worthy -- you know, you got -- this is worth. But that's very different than "I am worthy," you know? And it's so hard to separate those.
So is it your suggestion that all three of those elements, beholding, becoming, and belonging, help manage and remedy that, or is it just that that would fall into that beholding area, that when we spiritually connect with God, we get a greater sense of identity? Talk to us about that.
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: Yes, it does connect together. I look at it like this. When I sit down with someone and they say something like, "I'm too busy to rest," or, "I struggle to rest" -- I hear a lot of women particularly say that, "I struggle to rest" -- it then makes me start asking these types of questions. What is the struggle? A lot of us have really great work ethics, but we have zero rest ethic. We don't even believe in Sabbath or even see it as having value. Which all comes back to our own self-worth, comes back to us seeing ourselves as worthy of having a refreshing, a refilling, a pouring back into.
And so with the beholding, becoming, and belonging, the beholding gives us an opportunity to begin to view God, to begin to view our relationship with him, to open ourselves up to the possibility of things we have yet to ingest in his Word. To start seeing what about your character, your nature, your love, your attention towards me I'm not accepting. Maybe I'm not accepting it because I don't believe I'm worthy enough, and then you go deeper into that conversation.
And I truly believe the more we behold him, the more we are gazing in his direction as if we are gazing into a mirror, we begin to see ourselves through what we behold, and then we go into that process of becoming more like what we view.
Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, wow. Well, we do become what we behold. What's interesting is -- isn't there a Scripture that says those who look to him are radiant? And there is something about that, that we become who we are when we really look at our Maker and spend time with him.
Okay, this is really cool. You've mentioned several times the word "connection." And so, Dr. Saundra, it makes me curious about just some connections in general. Okay? So this first one I want to ask you about is this connection between mental clarity and stillness. Can you give us that.
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: Yes. We stay so busy, we don't have time to actually allow ourselves to evaluate and reflect and to turn back and look and see what we have accomplished. So stillness, I think, is probably one of the hardest aspects for me personally because I'm a bit more of a Martha than I am a Mary. So I lean more towards activity and the doing and the checked boxes and all those things.
But I've learned that stillness is something that we can cultivate and begin to learn, but it does require us to start clearing some of the clutter in our mind, allowing some white space in our day, not feeling as if every moment has to be rationalized. I fear sometimes we have become so rational that we do not allow room for Holy Spirit to actually move within us and within our lives. And so part of the stillness is to give us space for God to move and to then be still enough to recognize when he's moving.
Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. This is interesting because it totally resonates. And by the way, you did say something earlier that I just want to repeat to our listeners. You talked about how we have a good work ethic but we don't have a good rest ethic. This stillness seems to be part of that rest ethic, and it seems to me part of our human stewardship as those who God loves and made valuable.
So you're busy, sister. Like, you're a doctor, you're an author, you're running around speaking. You got a family, you got life. What does stillness look like for you? How do you carve it out?
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: I still try to follow all seven of those types of rest. I do the check -- I don't sit and take the quiz necessarily, but I do the checklist in my head. Because if I wake up and I don't feel refreshed, then I start asking myself, what kind of rest do I currently need?
And to even go into the questioning with God requires me to be still. It requires me to say, Before I do another thing, Lord, help me right now to stop and inquire of you, to ask you what is going on with this day? Is this a day I need to push towards something or is this a day you just want me to sit with you? I don't need to accomplish anything more than I just need to get present with you.
Jennifer Rothschild: And what you just described is this just being, being with the Lord. Not, okay, I don't -- I don't feel rested, what can I do to fix my problem? That's really good, Dr. Saundra.
And you mentioned, by the way, that our listeners can find that rest quiz -- did you say restquiz.com?
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: It is, yes.
Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. All right. Because I know so many -- we want you to go visit that when the podcast is through.
Okay, I want to talk about another connection, though. What is the connection between emotional rest and living authentically?
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: Oh, that's such a great question. And it's the full becoming section of the book because that's the one that's hard.
So often we get into the habit of people-pleasing type behaviors because of the expectations of others, because of roles or positions or titles or degrees that we have, that we begin to remove the ability to just be real in our answers. We start deciphering our responses and our replies based on what other people will think from what they already know about us. And I feel like there's a level of stress that's attached to that and it prevents us from being free to move with God as he is changing us.
I often look at it like this. When we think about the people in the Bible, very rarely do they start and finish at the same place. I can't think of one example off the top of my head where that actually happens. Most of the time we see them go through these transitions even in their careers and the things that they're doing, so to speak. Shepherds become kings. We have people that are in jail who've become entire nations. So we see these transition points.
However, our culture has taught us that you go to college, you get a degree in whatever it is, and that's what you do. And you do that till you die basically, or till you retire. And most people that I sit with feel the tension of that. It does not feel real, it does not feel authentic. They feel trapped, they feel boxed in, and they live under this constant unrest because they are not allowed to continue to become the depths of what's inside of them, to release the depths of God's character, his nature, the gifts, the talents. Whatever he's deposited, it's locked up inside of these expectations and roles and it prevents them from having true emotional rest.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, it's a prison. And it takes courage to bust out. It takes so much courage. And, in fact, you talk about in your book fear-based living. That's what I was thinking of when you were describing that, fear-based living. So for someone listening, can you tell us what that is. Because sometimes we're doing it without knowing it. So what is fear-based living? And give us, like, a first step to stop it.
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: Yeah. Fear-based living -- I look at it as when your life feels too safe. You know, life in the Spirit should not feel so safe. It doesn't require God if you don't have a little bit of becoming tension on it. But we don't like tension. We want to not feel the tension of his presence.
And, you know, if we truly have what we call the fear of God, which is -- I don't mean, like, afraid. I mean awe and reverence and the wow factor of God, you know, actively moving and working in our life -- then it will feel comfortable. Because it should not feel comfortable if we are living in the fear of the Lord. There should be this holy tension that is upon our lives that keeps us in this place of leaning closer to him because we feel the tension, the pull of his Spirit.
And so I love the starting point to simply be. Start doing the things that feel a little bit uncomfortable but you have a peace in your spirit that this is what the next step is.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. Well, that's living totally dependent on the Lord, too, and there is such freedom and rest there.
All right. So someone listening, they're tracking with us and they feel kind of stuck. Like, they're in this prison of doing, doing, doing, you know, instead of being, being, being. So they're doing, doing, doing, and they're not really feeling fulfilled. So is that okay? First, is that okay? And then if it's not, what tips can you give them?
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: It's not God's best. That's what I will say with that. It is not God's best for their life, because God's best is a life that is overflowing, referencing John 10:10. It's a life that overflows with his presence, with his goodness, with his power, with his peace, all the things that are available to us because of Christ.
And so when someone is living in that place, I always like to take them back to kind of the beginning, so to speak. So a first step would be go back to that childlike nature, the part of you that simply enjoyed exploration without expectation, without specific having to check a box, meet a metric, achieve a goal. You just wanted to explore with God.
You know, sometimes -- I love going to the beach. It's one of my happy places. It's where I get creative rest and rejuvenation and get creativity sparked. I love watching children play in the sand. They build those sandcastles, and at no point in time are they questioning is this a success or failure? You know, is this going to win an award? And they know that tomorrow it won't be there. The water is going to come in, it's going to wash it away. But they still build with joy.
What happened to us that we can't do that? We can't explore and enjoy time just with getting our hands messy, so to speak, in the dirt of the earth and just let the joy of the moment be enough. Why does it always have to have is this success or is this failure?
I fear sometimes we get past the point of understanding the success can be just that you said yes to God, just that you obeyed, that you stepped out, that you had faith to follow him. And we have to get back to that place. And it's not easy. It takes some practice. It takes some time. We cultivate that level of trust because resting, becoming, being, all of those require trust.
Jennifer Rothschild: You know, as I'm listening to this -- I love that. I love that. And also the child after the sandcastle doesn't make sure it's perfectly framed on their iPhone so they can post it on Instagram and get a thousand likes either.
So as I'm hearing this, though, I'm thinking, okay, this is like breaking a bunch of cultural norms, and probably our upbringing norms, and so -- most of us live within a family system or a workplace system. And if we really begin to exercise some of the freedoms that come from beholding and becoming, then it might mess with our belonging. Like, we might not -- it might not work well within our social systems. So how do we remedy that?
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: Well, I talk about that in the book. I call them friendly attacks. Because when you start stepping out, you are going to have some friendly attack. And these often are people that you love. They're the ones you think were going to support you when you said, "I'm going to go be a missionary in the middle of wherever," and they're like, "Oh, that's going to be dangerous." You're going to start facing some of those attacks.
And I recommend we actually start going deeper in what's behind the attack. Because usually it's not that the person doesn't want you living out your God-given mission and purpose, it usually has some -- maybe hidden to them, but some level of an ulterior motive. Like, for example, when I kind of voice some of the things that I wanted to do, family'd say, "Oh, you know, that's so ambitious. Maybe you should do this instead."
And a part of them was they didn't want me to be disappointed. It wasn't that they didn't -- you know, in my head, oh, they don't think I'm worthy, they don't -- but in sitting down and actually asking, you know, "Why did you say that to me?" It's like, "You've been through so much. We didn't want to see you disappointed again if something didn't go your way." And they're genuinely happy for me if things turn out well, but they weren't the people that I would come back to if things turned out horrible.
Jennifer Rothschild: Right.
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: They would be the one dealing with my tears and my fears and all of the stuff. So it made more sense why they said what they said.
And I think we don't realize that we have those loss attacks or control attacks or safety attacks, as I talk about in the book, that people are -- you know, if I have a high level of risk and the person I'm talking to is risk averse, they're going to tell me how dangerous it is. And I don't even see the danger because it's not my nature to live in that kind of fear.
So we have to allow ourselves to stand undaunted by the attacks and take a step back, not be so easy to be offended by people, and just see where are they coming from in this positioning.
Jennifer Rothschild: That's really a good word. That's such a good word. Because often it's more of a reflection of their own fear or insecurity or, you know, love that they don't know how to express in a supportive way. So, yeah, we've got to be wise and not be offended and perhaps just look at that other person as, you know, someone who is becoming also.
Okay, Dr. Saundra, this is super good. And you've referred to the book so many times. And our 4:13ers, we're going to have a link to the book after Saundra and I say goodbye, so you're going to be able to get it very easily, because this is rich and we need to go deeper.
But we are going to get to our last question, so we're going to end with this.
Sometimes, Dr. Saundra, we do not recognize our own mental barriers, you know, that keep us stuck, because to us they're normal, it's just the way we do life. I had someone one time say to me, "Yeah, it's normal like cancer," you know, "and it's just killing you." It's your normal, but you're not even aware of your own normal mental barriers.
So end with something super practical here. We need a strategy. How do we know what our mental barriers are? How do we identify them? And then give us a first step to eliminating them.
Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith: Yeah, I think we have to ask better questions of ourselves, because it's the questions that open us up to the wisdom. And so one of the things we do in the book is at the end we have these -- every chapter, we have these daily unveiling questions to help people start asking some better questions. And so what I recommend is to start with the simple question of, "God, what do you know about me that you would like me to know about me? Show it to me within this day. Reveal to me things that I have yet to understand about who I am in you."
And I think when we start opening ourselves up for daily divine moments of his presence and expecting it not always to look the same, it gives us a process through which that beholding leads to the becoming, and ultimately the belonging, where we're not trying to find the places where we fit in, but actually seeing the places where we uniquely fit, because we are bringing an essence of his presence, of his character, of who he is, and we're filling a void that needs us in that area.
Jennifer Rothschild: You heard the doctor. Ask, "God, what do you know about me that you want me to know about myself?" Open yourself up to this daily divine moment with God.
KC Wright: Yes. She said ask better questions to ourselves. Questions lead to wisdom. And we need wisdom, and you need her book.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. Amen.
KC Wright: You can get one at the Show Notes at 413 podcast.com/369. And as always, you can read the full transcript right there, too.
Plus, if you haven't left a review, we love you. Please do it.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.
KC Wright: Make sure it's nice.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.
KC Wright: And remember, look at us through grace glasses. Okay? Don't be mean or harsh. But, no, seriously, you all have been so generous with your kind reviews, and we wish we could reach back out to you and tell you thanks. So consider this the podcast hug. Thanks for leaving your reviews. You make a huge difference in spreading this message of hope-filled encouragement.
Okay. I really hope you enjoyed this conversation --
Jennifer Rothschild: It was good.
KC Wright: -- as much as I did, because it was awesome. Remember, you can accept yourself, because God does, and you can do all things through Christ who gives you supernatural strength. I can.
Jennifer Rothschild: I can.
Jennifer and KC: And you can.
Jennifer Rothschild: Even those of you in Ala-bama.
KC Wright: It's Alabama. It's the place I want to be. I need some Meta glasses to help me pronounce words.
Jennifer Rothschild: (singing) Sweet home Ala-bama.
KC Wright: Ala-bama. Oh, I was just doing my Forrest Gump impersonation.
Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, you are so funny. That was funny. That was very funny. I'm never going to think of Alabama the same. Ala-bama.
KC Wright: Hey, with these Meta glasses, I want you to wear them with caution.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, why?
KC Wright: Because one of my favorite stories.
Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, no. The Twitter story?
KC Wright: No.
Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, okay.
KC Wright: The story. There was some social media thing years ago. And remember you guys left it on in your bedroom?
Jennifer Rothschild: Yes. That was Twitter.
KC Wright: Was it Twitter?
Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, we're going to tell you that story next week.
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