4:13 Podcast: Can I Reclaim Quiet? With Sarah Clarkson [Episode 364]

Sarah Clarkson: I understand quiet now as a homecoming, coming back to that place within myself where the Beloved waits to meet with me. And that doesn't require hours of silence or, you know, rigid disciplines, it simply requires the orientation of my heart, a moment of attention.

And so there's many things I can do to cultivate quiet. There's many ways to go about that. But I think my definition changed about quiet, from something that I would attain or do with much effort, rather to a place I return to, a home that waits for me. And in many ways, a place I go when I'm exhausted, a place I can relax into, rather than a place I have to work hard to attain.

Jennifer Rothschild: In a distracted world, we long for a way to just slow down. Yet finding quiet, it can feel impossible. But quiet is and always has been essential to our spiritual life and growth. Well, today, author Sarah Clarkson is back with us, and this time she is extending an invitation just to you so that you can discover the profound daily joy of resisting hurry and cultivating a life of holy attention instead. Oh, I promise you, you are not too busy to learn this. In fact, you are too busy not to. So let's learn to resist chaos and reclaim quiet. Here we go.

KC Wright: Welcome to the 4:13 Podcast, where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you up to live the "I Can" life, because you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

Now, welcome your host, Jennifer Rothschild.

Jennifer Rothschild: Hello, dear ones. We're glad you're back with me and KC. I'm Jennifer. And it's our goal over here just to help you be and do more than you feel capable of as you're living the "I Can" life of Philippians 4:13. Summer is coming to an end, but KC and I are still in the closet, showing up every week just to say hey to you. And we are so glad that you are with us. It's two friends, one topic, zero stress. No matter what the season, we are going through it together, our people. We're so grateful that we're together again.

KC Wright: That's right. And, you know, we give the closet a hard time.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, we do.

KC Wright: But we were discussing yet this morning that this closet is the safe place --

Jennifer Rothschild: It is.

KC Wright: -- we can run to if there is severe weather --

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

KC Wright: -- or a tornado.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. We would be very snuggly warm in here. But you're right --

KC Wright: You are safe in here.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- it is safe.

KC Wright: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: And you know what? That translates. It's safe, too, on the podcast.

KC Wright: That's right. So I don't know if this is for the podcast or for my next counseling session, but --

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, do tell. We're family.

KC Wright: Here's the weird season that I'm in. So if you recall, Jenn and I, we just hit some major benchmarks in our ages.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, we did.

KC Wright: So Jenn turned 40 and I turned 30. Okay?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

KC Wright: So those were big, big moments. Big moments. Okay?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.

KC Wright: Okay, so this is something that's going on in my life. I am all of a sudden addicted to yard work. And I think that comes with age.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, my gosh. Are you going to start birdwatching too?

KC Wright: I was so obsessed this year with roses. I could not get enough rosebushes planted. I planted a peach tree.

Jennifer Rothschild: Wow.

KC Wright: I have crepe myrtles. Of course, every year I plant a rosebush in honor of my grandmother, Charlotte, who moved to heaven. And there's not enough rosebushes in all the world to plant to match her beauty that she was, and now in heaven with Jesus.

Jennifer Rothschild: KC.

KC Wright: Oh, and this year on her birthday, I planted a pink and white one. Oh, they're so beautiful.

Jennifer Rothschild: Like, you are --

KC Wright: And on her birthday, they bloomed.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, my gosh.

KC Wright: They all popped open. So anyway, that's one thing.

But I was even obsessed this year with -- I remember one week -- okay, just so you guys know, I try to be the manly man with the beard and the Jeep --

Jennifer Rothschild: You are very manly.

KC Wright: -- and all the Crossfits things.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, you are. You are.

KC Wright: But there was one week where I was obsessed with a peony bush.

Jennifer Rothschild: (Laughs) Sorry.

KC Wright: Is it peony or peony?

Jennifer Rothschild: I think it's peony.

KC Wright: Okay, peony. Okay. But I had to have a peony bush because it reminded me of my Grandma Wright and I wanted one in my yard.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. That's sweet, though.

KC Wright: So there's one part of me -- and I'm almost done here. There's one part of me where I've become an old man and I'm addicted to all things horticulture.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, there's nothing wrong with that. But it is kind of like, yeah, an old man.

KC Wright: But I've never been here before.

And then there's this other part of me -- now, this is weird. I'm craving family and I'm wanting babies.

Jennifer Rothschild: Ooh.

KC Wright: Like, I'm at Walmart and I see young families with babies and I'm like, "I want a baby. How can I get a baby?" I'm going to adopt a baby. I'm like -- we have babies in our church. A gal just had a precious little baby that I'm dedicating to the Lord, and I'm like, "I love this little man." And I was holding him at the altar just -- I love babies.

Jennifer Rothschild: KC.

KC Wright: So anyway. I know this isn't for The 4:13, it's for the couch in my --

Jennifer Rothschild: In your therapist's office?

KC Wright: -- in my pastor's office, but I'm like -- I'm torn between an old man --

Jennifer Rothschild: And a young dad.

KC Wright: -- and a young dad. And here I am, a single lad. Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. Well, here's the thing. I think it says that you still got it in you, that you are still young. And, KC, that does remind me -- I've just got to say.

KC Wright: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: You did get an email this week.

KC Wright: Oh, I did. Where's it at? Here it is.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, you need to read them -- you might want to change the name --

KC Wright: I will.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- but, y'all, this is so sweet. I love this.

KC Wright: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay.

KC Wright: Okay. I actually got two emails this week. One email, she was just saying thank you for the podcast that the Lord used to touch her heart because she as well went through a divorce years ago.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

KC Wright: But here's this one that made us chuckle. "Good morning, Jennifer and KC. Love my Friday morning time with you." We love you. Feel the podcast hug.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, we do.

KC Wright: "I want to let you know that I have a possible date for KC. My beautiful redeemed friend. She's in her 40s. She's a real woman who has given her life over to Jesus and looking for God's best for her. She works with me at" --

Jennifer Rothschild: Blank.

KC Wright: -- fill in the blank, "and has a great heart. She is also very pretty and has an insightful personality."

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, she sounds perfect for you.

KC Wright: And then she gave me her number. Not the girl's number --

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, okay. But her number?

KC Wright: But her number. And she goes, "KC can text me if he wants to do so."

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh. But is she of childbearing years? Because clearly, you need rose bushes and babies. Or maybe you marry someone who has babies. Or --

KC Wright: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- you just wait a few years and you'll have grandkids.

KC Wright: Oh.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh. Okay. Here's the thing. I think it's a beautiful thing that you have the capacity to engage in beauty, because -- by the way, KC is very masculine, but he has such a beautiful eye for beauty, an appreciation for beauty, and a tender heart that loves babies. Okay.

KC Wright: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: Y'all --

KC Wright: Come on.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- he is such a good catch. Why are you still single? I do not understand.

KC Wright: We don't know.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay.

KC Wright: God's timing.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, we can't solve this problem, so let's just get to the conversation.

KC Wright: Okay. Sarah Clarkson is the author of seven books, including "This Beautiful Truth: How God's Goodness Breaks Into Our Darkness." She studied theology in Oxford and lives in an old --

Jennifer Rothschild: Vicarage?

KC Wright: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes. I didn't know what it said, but I figured that would have stumbled you.

KC Wright: I was googling it in my mind.

Jennifer Rothschild: It's like a pastorium.

KC Wright: Oh, my goodness.

Jennifer Rothschild: Uh-huh. In England.

KC Wright: Well, she lives there with her --

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, she does.

KC Wright: -- priest husband and their four beautiful small children.

All right. Everyone calm down. Breathe. Breathe in, breathe out. Here is Jennifer and Sarah.

Jennifer Rothschild: All right, Sarah. I already told you before we started this, I'm very happy you're back with us. I love to have you on the podcast. And just to remind our listeners, you are -- it's a little later where you are than it is where I am right now, because you're in Oxford, one of my happy places. So I'm so happy just to have a little bit of England here with us on the podcast.

But we're going to talk about your book. Okay. Your new book is called "Reclaiming Quiet: Cultivating a Life of Holy Attention." Okay. That's like just an exhale. That's so inviting. I love that. I love that concept. But quiet can be a little bit abstract for some of us because, like, we can't just, you know, turn down the world and silence everything around us. So let's start with this. You define what you mean by quiet so we know what it is we're trying to reclaim.

Sarah Clarkson: Sure. It was a process for me to define that for myself, because I think that when I began -- I began because I had this deep realization, kind of at the end of the first pandemic year, that I'd come to this point where I was so used to being on screens and checking things and just had come to kind of a frenzied point that I no longer had the capacity to come to quiet inside of myself.

And so I think I ordered five books on contemplation, and I thought I was going to get up at 5:30 and pray for hours every morning. And somewhere amidst having several children and life and everything, that didn't happen, and so I had to kind of renegotiate. What did I mean by quiet? Was it vast times alone, was it -- you know, did it mean only having silence?

And I realized the longer I went, that what I meant by quiet, and what I think is often in Scripture talking about, you know, waiting for the Lord or coming back to quiet, is I understand quiet now as a homecoming, coming back to that place within myself where the Beloved waits to meet with me. And that doesn't require hours of silence or rigid disciplines, it simply requires the orientation of my heart, a moment of attention.

And so there's many things I can do to cultivate quiet. There's many ways to go about that. But I think my definition changed about quiet, from something that I would attain or do with much effort, rather to a place I return to, a home that waits for me. And in many ways, a place I go when I'm exhausted, a place I can relax into rather than a place I have to work hard to attain.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. So this is good. Because the way I just heard you explain that, it's like a response to a relationship.

Sarah Clarkson: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: And that is something that is so freeing to us. So what you just described is very liberating.

And so when you say it's like homecoming, it's like a place, now, I don't believe you are speaking of a physical structure with a door and four walls. Okay? So I'm curious. You explain in your book that quiet has a shape. Okay? So what is this shape that you're talking about? Is that the homecoming? What is the shape? And what does all this look like?

Sarah Clarkson: Well, I think that as I -- so I started kind of studying this in-depth and really thinking about it and trying to figure out how do I attain quiet in my life. And I realized two things. I realized that my concept of quiet was extremely abstract, that I thought of quiet mostly as subtracting noise, people, responsibility, relationship, that quiet was about having nothing going on around me.

But I think I increasingly realized that if that's how I defined it, well, it was never going to be available to me. I have four children under seven. My husband is a minister. We have constant people in our house. And so I realized I needed to kind of renew my understanding of that.

So I think quiet is very much -- tell me. Sorry. My brain is totally blanking. Your question --

Jennifer Rothschild: What was my question? Girl, it's okay. Like, it's my morning, I am ready to go. You are ready to wind down where you are. So my question was, when you say it is a shape, when quiet is a shape, what shape is that?

Sarah Clarkson: So I began to realize that when I started this whole book, I had kind of been mad at God because I felt so unquiet. Like, why don't you just make me quiet again? And I realized that I was living by patterns in my body, in my habits. I was living by patterns of disquiet, of busyness, of distraction, of being on my phone all the time, of not giving myself time to rest.

And I realized that while -- I think quiet is very much a homecoming to a place within our soul. So Saint Teresa, you know, says that she had an interior castle. She pictures the soul as this castle, and there's this room at the center where the Beloved is waiting to meet with us. And for me, I kind of pictured it more as the kitchen table of my heart where Jesus is sitting with a cup of coffee.

But both of those, it makes the idea of quiet this homecoming that is within our souls. But the way we reach it often -- we're embodied people. We live in bodies that are frail and finite. We have limits, we have -- you know, we need rest.

And I think when I began to really think about what can I do to cultivate quiet in my life, some of the first things I realized was I needed to do things like sit in silence in the morning and attend. I needed to actually be resting and having sleep. I needed to recognize my physical limits. I needed to figure out ways to -- when I had been frenzied after a day of work online or being with my children, I needed to have psychological ways I could walk myself back to a place of quiet.

It didn't work just to sit down and say, I'm going to be silent and spiritual now. I needed to have books to read, music to listen to. I needed to have things to look at that would help me. I needed kind of liturgies and shapes by which to help myself walk back to a place of quiet. And I needed to have a shape to my daily life, a physical place I sat, the habit of walking outdoors and really immersing myself in creation, moments of wonder where I really sat and attended to the cup of coffee, the child, the flower.

So I realized it's not so much about abstraction as it is about attention, and that really shifted the way I pursued it in my life.

Jennifer Rothschild: And you know what too I love about that is -- you mentioned fleetingly -- it's not about subtracting things from your life. I mean, perhaps it can include that for you to get to that place and those rhythms, but to automatically assume it's just subtractions I think disintegrates a little bit of that concept of what quiet is, and it makes it more attainable.

So we're going to talk in a minute about you being a mom of four kids. Like, you are a perfect case study. If this is possible in your life, it is possible in all of ours. So we're going to talk about. But before we do, I want to know where you think most of us get tripped up. Like, in other words, what misconceptions do we have when it comes to our ability to choose quiet? Okay? Because I think some of us don't feel like it's under our control.

Sarah Clarkson: I think a problem in our society is we think of quiet as a specialist topic. So we think of it as for the introverts or the super spiritual or those -- you know, you could be a monk or a nun or, you know, something like that. Whereas I would say that quiet is actually the native ground of every single person alive. It is the place we come to at the center of our hearts. How do we pray? We pray -- we come to the quiet in order to attend to God. So I think it's integral to every person.

But I also think we begin to listen to the voice of a very, very busy and frenzied culture that says there is no possibility for silence, for rest. A lot of what's at the root, I think, of our lack of quiet is a lack of rest. I think the internet is unsleeping. We live increasingly in the presence of our screens and our phones.

And I say that -- you know, I work a great deal online, so I am very much implicated in it. But I think that we are so immersed in this world of things that happen and the next headline and the next post, the next thing to be consumed, and then we come from that and it feels so difficult to come back to that quiet place.

And I think the other thing is -- you know, there's two people, I think, that you meet when you come to real quiet.

And the first is yourself and all your frailty and need. And that's a terrifying thing, especially when we're used to being able to kind of distract ourselves from our loneliness, our hunger, our disappointment by these many distractions. To actually sit in the quiet and suffer those and meet them and see ourselves and our raw need is really challenging on top of everything else.

But the second person you meet in quiet is God. And he is the one who comes to heal and give grace to all of those weak places in us and to bring us home to that quiet place. Which is not about us being rigidly spiritual, but is about us being deeply beloved and attending to the presence of the person who's already there loving us.

Jennifer Rothschild: Wow. I love that. Just being deeply beloved as the human that God made you to be with all the frailty. That's beautiful, Sarah. And so appealing.

And you know I, of course, can't help but think of Jesus inviting us to come and gain rest from our souls. And he says, "My yoke is easy." And you know, you know, that yoke -- we often think of just throwing something on the back of an ox. But Jesus was talking about his teachings, that his teachings are not burdensome, that his teachings lighten our loads, that just being with him and his words, it really does give us rest for our souls.

So I love that your kitchen table with Jesus and a cup of coffee is that shape for you. It's so inviting. But you're right, it's intimidating to have to sit with ourselves also, so I'm thankful we get to sit with ourselves in the presence of the One who knows us most and still loves us.

So I think you kind of are pointing to the answer to this question, so I'm just going to go ahead and ask it. How is quiet essential to just our plain human flourishing and our spiritual life?

Sarah Clarkson: I think quiet -- it's kind of two different levels. I'd say on a basic human level, kind of universally, all of us have the outdoor self that performs and speaks and talks and interacts. But we all have an interior self, an interior world, and that is the world from which we look out upon the whole of our lives through culture. This is the world from which we create, from which we imagine, from which we judge what is right and wrong.

And I think in a world that increasingly draws us out of the interior world into screens, into activity, into, you know, place -- we just live in such an intensively busy world, I think that we forget that quiet is an essential part of this, this inner person.

And so the first thing on just a human level I'd say is that quiet takes us back to know ourselves, to know ourselves truly. Not the self that we distract, not the self that we present online as a profile on a social media, but the self who sits in the darkness in the evening, the self that is the honest self. The self that's also the wildly creative self, I think that's a basic gift that comes to us through quiet.

But on a spiritual level, I think I've just really thought a lot about the fact that we are -- you know, that God spoke us into being, that he is -- you know, that Jesus is the Word made flesh and that we were called into being when God said let -- you know, God creates the whole creation and then he breathes his breath into us. And so I think there's a fundamental sense in which as Christians, as lovers of God, we are those who listen for his voice.

And how can you listen for the voice of God if you no longer have the capacity to be quiet, to attend? You know, at the heart of quiet is listening. I think that's what it comes down to. It's attention, it's listening. I think spiritually it is attention to the voice of God. We come home to that inward place of quiet so that we can hear the voice of the Beloved telling us who we are for what we've been created, how we are loved, how we are forgiven, how we are known.

So I think those are kind of the fundamental things that I would say are universal qualities of quiet that are needed by every single person.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, it makes so much sense. It does make so much sense. You cannot create and flourish if you are consumed with clutter, audio, visual -- you know, physical clutter, clutter, clutter.

So you did just mention this, and in your book you say that we are called to be a listening people. So I want you to go a little deeper with that. Do you mean just listening to God, or listening to others? So explain what that looks like.

Sarah Clarkson: I would say the root of our listening is to God, because he is the voice who is telling the story. I think -- I'm a great lover of and believer in the power of story, and one thing I've really come to believe is that we are beings who are narrated.

You know, Scripture begins very much as if it was a fairytale. "At the beginning" sounds a lot like "Once upon a time." But God's voice is the one. He's the one who's telling our story. And so I think our first and foremost listening is always to this voice within us narrating who we are, what we're called to do, the good things he's created for us.

But I do think that quiet -- in a paradoxical way, we think about quiet as something we do by ourselves. But I think quiet roots us in such a way that we are able to attend with a much greater gift of self and attention to the other people around us.

So something I really noticed in interacting with my children is I can interact with them in such different ways. You know, if I'm looking at my phone, if I'm trying to read something or do something else, the attention I give them is very scattered. It's a half attention. But I think the challenge for me often as a mother -- and I think this is a challenge that is present in most relationships in our life -- is to actually stop and look at the person who is before me, in their need, in their beauty, in their fragility, in their difficulty, to actually see and attend and respond to this person and their fullness in the way that God sees and responds to me.

And so I think our listening to the voice of God teaches us then to be those who see and love and know in the same way that he sees and loves and knows us.

Jennifer Rothschild: Wow. And even that process, that exercise, again introduces us right back again to ourselves and our own fragility, our own need, our own belovedness. I mean, it's a beautiful --

Sarah Clarkson: Exactly.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- virtuous cycle. I mean, that's beautiful and so doable.

So let's talk about doables. Okay? Let's be practical here. Because you're a mom of four. And so my daughter-in-law and son have four who are all seven and below, so I understand your life. Like, I don't even know how you have been able to complete an intelligent sentence on this podcast. So well done. Okay. It's hard. It's hard. You're busy. You are a perfect case study for this. So the question is, how do you do this? How do you reclaim quiet? Like, do you have certain rhythms that you implement frequently or -- like, how do you do stillness and quiet?

Sarah Clarkson: I think that especially in this phase of my life -- you know, before I got married, before I had children, I had a lot more quiet time. I'm an introvert, so I rejoice in quiet time, but these days it's rare on the ground. And so I've come to really treasure -- I've learned to treasure and not dismiss the value of small things.

So I think kind of two of my basic rhythms that I kind of try to keep for myself, and tell other people if they ask, is -- I think there's huge value in mornings and evenings. Even if you create the smallest ritual of quiet or attention in the morning to open your day, to orient yourself to time, to open your day and see your life as being told by God, to understand your life as part of his great story in the world. And to close the day with the same kind of vision of, You've been with me. How have you attended to me? What has happened? So I think morning and evening there's a real spiritual and psychological power to framing your experience of time.

And I think something I realized with phones especially is we open our eyes, roll over and check the phone. But I think that there is kind of this potent power in saying before I do that, before I immerse myself in the tumult of a fallen world and all its madness, let me first attend.

And for me that looks like -- you know, it's very brief in the mornings, because we get up and we go fast. And my husband has to be over at the church by 8:30, so, you know, there's four children to dress and get downstairs. So for me, it usually comes down to ten minutes total I sit in my chair by my window and look out the window. I try to breathe a bit. I read a verse of Scripture. If I have time, I say a prayer. And that can be five or ten minutes, but it is my way of claiming a moment of stillness, of quiet, of attention to God before the day begins.

And a friend of mine -- when I was saying, "I just don't have time to pray and I feel too exhausted to pray," he said, "Just say, you know, the ancient Jesus prayer, 'Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'" He said, "It will encompass most things." And some days, that is the only thing I manage to pray, but it is a setting of my whole day. And then I'm trying to have something similar at night. It can be different rhythms, it can change. Some people I know use, you know, the liturgy to their churches. Sometimes I use those. Sometimes I don't even have time to do all that. But mornings and evenings, there's something powerful to those.

And the second thing is is not to despise the small moments. I think -- you know, having come into motherhood straight from having done a couple of degrees, I kind of had this feeling of, I have ten minutes. Oh, you can't do anything in ten minutes. There's no time to read a book or start a paper. And instead, I've learned to retrain my attention to say, I have five minutes. I could read two more paragraphs. I could read one poem. Ooh, I could sit on the step and breathe. I could have a moment by myself. I could actually enjoy my coffee. It's reorienting the way that you understand time.

And I think in that, not despising the small minutes, it's also taught me to attend with much greater sight and awareness to what is beautiful around me right now. In this moment where can I spot the Holy Spirit at work? Where is beauty? Where can I see something lovely? And it's helped me, those little anchors throughout the day.

And, you know, small they may be, but our life is made up of the smallest of moments. And when you add moment upon moment upon moment of prayer and attention and joy and poetry, you build up a whole life that is different from the one you might have lived if you didn't treasure those small minutes.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, wow. That is just so beautiful. I kept thinking of the Scripture too from Zechariah. He tells all of us, don't despise the days of small things.

Sarah Clarkson: Yes. It's such a good one.

Jennifer Rothschild: Isn't it beautiful? And it's true.

Okay, I think you just gave us so much practical there, but I still want us to just end with this question. Because someone is listening, they're feeling as inspired as me, but they may be so concrete in their thinking that they don't need any more beautiful ideas from Sarah, they need one concrete challenge. Okay? So they're going to finish this podcast, they've heard about these rhythms, and they just want to know, Sarah, tell me what I can do tomorrow to start.

Sarah Clarkson: Wake up in the morning and let the first thing you do be to take a minute to breathe deeply and to listen. To just say, "Lord, I am here. Help me to know your love," to open your morning. It's the easiest thing. You don't even have to have gotten out of bed to do it. But it's this fundamental choice to say the first thing I will do is be a listener because the voice I yearn for is God's. And I will take this quiet moment while I'm still sleepy, whenever I can snatch it, simply to attend. And on that tiny, tiny moment, so much can grow and be built.

Jennifer Rothschild: Before you even get out of bed, breathe deeply. Listen. Ask God, "Help me to know your love." Listen to the quiet. Orient yourself to time, Sarah said.

KC Wright: Sarah is right. The enemy traffics in noise. I heard a pastor say if the devil can't make you sin, tempt you to sin, he will distract you to no end.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes. That's true.

KC Wright: So quiet yourself before the Lord. Light a candle, pour some tea, turn on some worship music, and get her book so you can read it. Hey, we're giving one away at Jennifer's Instagram right now, or you can find it at the Show Notes at 413podcast.com/364. What a beautiful conversation. Seriously, beautiful.

Okay, our loved ones, remember that you can reclaim quiet because you can do all things through Christ who gives you supernatural strength. I can.

Jennifer Rothschild: I can.

Jennifer and KC: And you can.

Jennifer Rothschild: I ended that with a deep aaah.

KC Wright: Yes.