
Before we rush into the new year, KC and I are taking a moment to look back on 2025 — the fun moments, the hard moments, the lessons learned (and unlearned), and the ways God has faithfully carried us through it all.


Before we rush into the new year, KC and I are taking a moment to look back on 2025 — the fun moments, the hard moments, the lessons learned (and unlearned), and the ways God has faithfully carried us through it all.

This is a very merry episode of the 4:13 Podcast today because … it’s Christmas, and we want to sprinkle a little extra joy into your celebration!
We’re talking about the wonder and joy of Christmas—but also the mess of Christmas, because let’s be honest, it can get a little messy, right? So, we’ll laugh together, share a few stories, and remind your heart that Jesus shows up right in the middle of the mess to bring you hope and peace!

We are deeply relational people, longing to be connected and known. That’s how we were created! Yet despite having endless ways to connect these days, loneliness is on the rise.
So today on the 4:13, author Alli Patterson addresses the loneliness epidemic and breaks down how you can build relationships that actually nourish your soul! But here’s the best part…
Alli went straight to God’s Word to learn what the Gospels reveal about Jesus and His relationships, and what she discovered is fascinating!

Are you feeling overwhelmed by out-of-control thoughts, consuming worry, or the nagging weight of guilt? Well, I’ve got good news: Your thoughts don’t have to control your life! Instead, you can tame those thoughts, and here to help you do it is “America’s Pastor,” Max Lucado.
Through Scripture and biblical wisdom, Max will teach you how to renew your mind and change your thinking—one thought at a time.

When life gets hard—really hard—it can be tempting to throw in the towel. But today you’re going to hear an incredibly powerful testimony of why you shouldn’t.
Pastor Shawn Johnson talks about how he received a devastating brain disease diagnosis that left him wrestling with despair, doubt, and the desire to give up on everything, including his faith and his future. But through vulnerability, community, and choosing to worship even in the middle of his pain, Shawn discovered that joy can coexist with suffering.

Thanksgiving may come once a year, but thankfulness is for every day. So in this special edition of the 4:13, we’re looking at what Scripture says about cultivating an attitude of gratitude—not just today, but always!
We hope you’ll meditate on these verses and let them shape your perspective—no matter what season you’re in—because there’s an abundance of joy that comes from a heart full of gratitude!