Hey, 4:13ers! I just finished recording a podcast episode with my good friend, Ann Voskamp, about her newest book, Waymaker: Finding the Way to the Life You’ve Always Dreamed Of. This episode is now available, and you can listen to it here, but our conversation was just so good that I broke it up into two parts.

In this bonus episode, you’ll hear clips from Ann as she shares that you can make it through a hard day, a hard year, or a hard season of life because Jesus is your waymaker. He’s not the way around your struggles or the way to avoid them … He’s the way through them, because He is the way the truth and the life (John 14:6).