Can I Build a Faith That Lasts? With Alli Patterson [Episode 246]

Build Faith Lasts Alli Patterson

How do you stay strong when cracks begin to form in your life? Is your faith strong enough to help you stand when hardships try to knock you down? Or, are you clinging to the idea that if only the storms of life stayed away, you would be okay?

While trouble in this life is inevitable, collapse is not!

And today, author Alli Patterson will teach you how to build a faith that can withstand anything the world throws at it. She’ll help you take a hard look at the foundation you’re building on and give you three simple rhythms to produce an unshakeable faith.

As we talk about her book, How to Stay Standing: 3 Essential Practices for Building a Faith That Lasts, Alli explains how it’s an illusion to think that if we’re strong enough and good enough, we won’t have much trouble in life.

Because life is messy and unpredictable, and difficulty is bound to be a part of it.

So today, you’ll learn how to brace yourself for the trials instead of trying to avoid them. You’ll also discover why it’s okay to take risks, and if you’re not much of a risk-taker, you’ll want to hear this!

Meet Alli

Alli Patterson is the author of How to Stay Standing. She holds a master’s degree in biblical studies from Dallas Theological Seminary and is a teaching pastor at Crossroads Church. She lives with her husband, Bill, their four children, and one very bratty cat. Alli is a fan of Mexican food, Ohio State football, geeky Bible maps, and good books.

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4:13 Podcast: Can I Build a Faith That Lasts? With Alli Patterson [Episode 246]

Alli Patterson: What if I believed this? What if I really went and did this? What if I didn't just read this like, oh, right, nice people agree with that. Yes, nice people -- nice people would say, yes, yes, we agree. What if I actually just closed the Bible and tried to reconcile with her?

Jennifer Rothschild: How do you stay strong when cracks begin to form in your life? Is your faith strong enough to support you when life tries to knock you down? Today's guest, Alli Patterson, says that trouble in life, it's inevitable; but collapse is not. So on the 4:13 today, you are going to learn how to build a faith that can withstand anything the world throws at it. Alli will help you take a hard look at the foundation you're building on, and she'll give you three simple rhythms that will produce an unshakeable faith. It's good stuff today on the podcast, so, K.C., let's go.

K.C. Wright: Let's go. Come on. Welcome to the 4:13 Podcast, where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you and I up to live the "I Can" life, because you can do all things -- all means all -- through Christ, who strengthens you with supernatural strength.

Now, welcome your host and my soul sister, Jennifer Rothschild.

Jennifer Rothschild: Mm-hmm. Who is putting on Chapstick. All right, just finished.

All right. Listen, our people, we are super glad you're here today. If we're new friends, I'm Jennifer, and my goal is to help you be and do more than you feel capable of as you live this "I Can" life of Philippians 4:13. And I got to say, summer is on the way. We're getting toward the end of May.

K.C. Wright: Thank you, Lord.

Jennifer Rothschild: Ellie's probably ready to get out of school.

K.C. Wright: Oh, she was ready in --

Jennifer Rothschild: In January?

K.C. Wright: -- December. I remember when school started last year, it was so funny.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah?

K.C. Wright: She goes, "Man, middle school ain't playing."

Jennifer Rothschild: It's not.

K.C. Wright: She was telling me all the difference between middle school and elementary. We don't have this, we don't have this. Man.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. She's in the big leagues now.

K.C. Wright: She's in the big leagues.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, summer's coming. She's going to get some relief.

K.C. Wright: Thank God. Because I'm a weather wimp, JR. I've shared this with you many times.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, you're ready for the warmth.

K.C. Wright: I don't like the gray skies of Missouri. I need sunshine to live.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

K.C. Wright: So put these toes in some sand. Let's go to the beach.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, you know where I'm going this summer?

K.C. Wright: Where?

Jennifer Rothschild: I haven't even told you. Surprise.

K.C. Wright: Are you going back to England?

Jennifer Rothschild: I wish. No. But I'm not complaining because I'm going to Italy.

K.C. Wright: Italy?

Jennifer Rothschild: I've got these two friends -- they're 4:13ers -- Angela and Christy. In fact, if they're listening -- so one time I was with them at the lake, by the way, and they were asking me something and I go, "Sure, I can." And then one of them went, "And I can," and the other went, "I can," and then they both went, "And you can." They cracked me up. I'm like, "I know my ending is cheesy, but I just proved a point. You remembered it."

Okay. Anyway, Angela and Christy are my buddies. And it's just three girls. We're going to Italy.

K.C. Wright: What?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes. In July. I can't wait.

K.C. Wright: Oh, my goodness. Have you always had a desire to go? Has this been a dream?

Jennifer Rothschild: I actually went -- I went one time with my friend Lori when her son was studying there.

K.C. Wright: Okay.

Jennifer Rothschild: But we planned the trip. You know what I mean? So I, like, worked really hard and I planned it. And this one is a bus tour, so it'll be us three and a bunch of old people on a bus. I'm loving it. I can't wait. It's my groove now.

K.C. Wright: You're going to eat pasta and you are going to smell the smells and experience the sounds and --

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes. Just give me the cappuccinos and --

K.C. Wright: Are you going to do the thing where you take audio pictures?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, my people, I will take some audio pictures. So sometime when I get back, so it'll be in the fall because it'll take me time to put it all together. But yeah, I will definitely in the fall post some audio pictures.

K.C. Wright: But you don't have to. I'm just saying.

Jennifer Rothschild: I will.

K.C. Wright: Because you don't want to be on your vacation thinking about the podcast.

Jennifer Rothschild: I know, but I take audio pictures for myself anyway.

K.C. Wright: That's true.

Jennifer Rothschild: So I'm happy to share.

K.C. Wright: Okay, love it.

Jennifer Rothschild: All right, our people, let's get to this conversation.

K.C. Wright: I'm going with you to Italy and holding your bags.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, that works for me.

K.C. Wright: That's something you didn't know.

Okay. Alli Patterson is the author of "How to Stay Standing." She holds a master's degree in biblical studies from Dallas Theological Seminary and is a teaching pastor at Crossroads Church. She lives with her husband, Bill, their four children, and one bratty cat. Alli is a fan of Mexican food, Ohio State football, geeky Bible maps, and good, good books.

You are going to love this conversation, so just settle in. There's room at the table for you. Pull up a chair and here we go.

Jennifer Rothschild: All right, Alli. The premise of your book is that the foundation of our lives matter, it really matters. So I understand that you grew up in the church, and so I'm curious how that foundation of faith helped to inform the way you see or deal with the hard stuff in life.

Alli Patterson: Well, I did grow up going to church, but I would say the first time I really understood that my life should primarily be about Christ was when I was 16 years old. So that was really the time at which I began what I would say my own personal connection with Jesus, I would put that at 16. So, yes, I had context, I definitely had good strong context for God, and always before that I would have said, yes, I believe in God, I understand what Jesus did for me, all of that. But at 16, there was something about how the Gospel was presented, and just the work of the Spirit in my own life and heart that I went, okay, this is for me, like, in a way that I didn't even know I needed before. So I would really put 16 as kind of the beginning of my personal connection with Jesus.

And the way that I looked at kind of difficulty and struggle was really nonexistent. That's how I would -- honestly, I think I would have said that I expected a good life. I don't think I had any context for what the Bible clearly teaches, which is we will all have a life filled with all kinds of difficulties and struggles, and that in no way means that God is not with us or he's not at work or he's not present. And so I think I was under the -- just the illusion that I could maybe be strong enough and good enough that I wouldn't even have much trouble in my life.

Jennifer Rothschild: That's interesting. Well, first of all, I want to point out I liked how you differentiated that you grew up going to church, but then you transition when you had actually a personal experience with Christ, which is where your true foundation is. It's not in our experience with church --

Alli Patterson: Correct.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- it's in our experience with Christ. So thank you for being so clear about that.

But I also think it's super interesting, Alli, that the whole concept of pain or difficulty or that in this world we might have trouble still felt a little foreign to you.

Alli Patterson: Oh, very.

Jennifer Rothschild: And I think that's not atypical. I think there's a lot of people, Christians, who think, well, something must be wrong if there's suffering or, I wasn't expecting this. I thought that when I signed up, it was for a pain-free situation --

Alli Patterson: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- and that's not the case.

Alli Patterson: And I don't think we ever say that. I think it's more what we catch in a lot of environments of Christianity. I think because we do have joy and an inheritance and promises and identity that are ours in Christ -- and we're right to say that loud and mean it --

Jennifer Rothschild: Mm-hmm.

Alli Patterson: -- sometimes that can accidentally get translated into and therefore everything's going to be fine.

Jennifer Rothschild: Right.

Alli Patterson: And I don't think anyone ever taught me that. I just grew up in -- I think I -- I say in the book actually that I think the nicer and more decent a person you are, the harder this is to grasp. If you've never been in desperate need of help or forgiveness or grace, or you've never been in trouble that you couldn't get yourself out of, it's a little bit difficult to wrap your mind around the fact that Jesus says, hey, you're -- even with me, you're going to have a life that is going to be filled with some things that we're going to need to get through together, and I'm the way -- right? -- I'm the truth, I'm the life that you need in those spaces.

I don't think I thought about it as I entered into putting my life together, I guess, as an adult, if you will. I don't think I thought about how to build a life that could really take a hit. I don't think that was anywhere in my consciousness, I just thought, I'm pretty good here, you know.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Alli Patterson: I think I got this thing figured out. I'm solid.

Jennifer Rothschild: You know, I like that you said you weren't prepared necessarily -- you didn't think about building a life that could take a hit. And in a little bit we're going to talk about that, because we all need to build that kind of life. But you also just said something that reminded me of something I read in your book. Because you talked about if everything's fine, you know. We think that if everything's fine, then we're fine. Everything's good. And quite honestly, you know, we like that safety and that stability. But you write that the only way to safety and security is through taking risks. Okay, that's counterintuitive. So explain that.

Alli Patterson: It's so counterintuitive. So here's what I mean by that. I think that what God wants is he wants to be connected to us, and us as individuals and us as a body of Christ. And he's so good to come to us and help us build the evidence that we need that he's real and he's good and he's there, and that only comes on the other side of risking something that's real to you. And when I say risking, I don't mean like roulette in Vegas risking.

Jennifer Rothschild: Right, right.

Alli Patterson: What I mean is what if there really was a God who meant that thing that he wrote in Scripture? What if there really is a God who's hearing you? What if there really is a God who could heal that? What if there really is a God who forgave that and you can live differently? What if that's true? And I believe the evidence we personally need to live a life of faith is on the other side of taking a risk to actually believe that. And when we start to amass this -- I think in the world of Christianity, like, if you travel in circles where people love Jesus, you might hear people say, you know, you want to have a relationship with Christ.

Jennifer Rothschild: Mm-hmm.

Alli Patterson: Well, this is where relationship comes in, because how can you have a relationship with someone that you don't know? You have an experience. I think in the church today, especially given where our culture is, we either have a faith we're experiencing for real or we won't have a faith very long.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. You're right.

Alli Patterson: We have to have real experiences with a living God. And in my journey over many years following Jesus now, the things I own that you cannot talk me out of, I can't unsee them, I can't unexperience them, I can't unknow them, they were on the other side of believing his Word before I could see it.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, that's really powerful and inviting. So when you talked about, you know, taking these risks, or what we perceive as a risk -- because if he's totally trustworthy, there is no risk. Okay, but let's go with our perception. Then how does someone who's listening now thinking, hmm, I'm not sure I've ever done that, how does that person become a risk taker?

Alli Patterson: So first of all, I would say ask God to show you the risk he's putting in front of you, because there will be one. And I think we can become -- we can, like, strengthen that muscle, if you will, that risk-taking muscle, by tiny little yeses.

Here's a great for instance. I was reading in one of the Gospels one day and Jesus talks about leaving your gift at the altar and going and being reconciled with a brother or sister who has something against you. He wants unity amongst his people. And so he's like, you know, if you brought me a gift to the altar, you need to leave it there and go and be reconciled to your brother or sister in Christ and then come back. Right? So he kind of gives this instruction. And it hit me out of nowhere, oh, I have a sister in Christ that has something against me. Like, I know a woman who does not like me, does not want to be around me, and we had a little bit of a falling out. What if I believed this? What if I really went and did this? What if I didn't just read this like, oh, right, nice people agree with that. Yes, nice people -- nice people would say, yes, yes, we agree. What if I actually just closed the Bible and tried to reconcile with her? And I think sometimes we get caught in these very good patterns of trying to relate to God and we actually miss doing what he said.

Jennifer Rothschild: Ooh. Okay, so did you do it?

Alli Patterson: I did.

Jennifer Rothschild: And how did it turn out?

Alli Patterson: I did. I closed my Bible and I emailed her, and she agreed to a meeting. And we went to Starbucks and we were able to talk, and mostly I listened. And I'll tell you what, today we still have some community and friends in common. She is a loving follower of Christ. We are never going to be best friends. We see things a little bit differently -- that's okay with me -- but we can be in each other's company now.

Jennifer Rothschild: I love that.

Alli Patterson: We understood where the other person saw differently. We didn't ever reach perfect agreement on the situation that we had a little bit of a falling out over, but I can see her and I am -- I've actually been in her home since then. She threw a party for a mutual friend, and she acknowledged that I'm a close friend of this woman and invited me, and I went and it was fine.

Jennifer Rothschild: Wow. That's beautiful.

Alli Patterson: And I bet in all the little yeses I've ever said to Jesus, I think that was one of his favorites. I know that sounds a little silly, but I feel like it was -- it was one of the first times I realized I could sit here and read this Bible all day long, and unless I close it right now and actually go try to do what he said, I'm not sure he'll be pleased with me. I think I could sit here and read the Bible for another hour and he would go, I don't even know what you're doing. What are you doing?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, that gift really has no meaning at the altar.

Alli Patterson: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. That's interesting. Okay, that's a -- and let me just say, yes, there's a lot of tiny yeses, but they never feel tiny at the moment, right?

Alli Patterson: They sure don't.

Jennifer Rothschild: They don't.

Alli Patterson: They sure don't.

Jennifer Rothschild: And I think that's why you call them risks, because they feel like a huge risk.

Alli Patterson: it felt like such a risk. You know, when -- I don't love confrontational conversations. I don't understand people who thrive in that space.

Jennifer Rothschild: Me neither.

Alli Patterson: My stomach hurts. I was, like, sweating on the way to Starbucks. And I'm praying, I'm going, "Lord, you know that I love you, right? I love you. That's why I'm doing this. I love you. That's the only reason I'm doing this." And, oh, yes, so awkward. Just terribly awkward. I mean, we're real people, right?

Jennifer Rothschild: Right.

Alli Patterson: And it feels like your pride is on the line. And it would have been so much easier for me to be like, nope, I was right. I knew it all along.

Jennifer Rothschild: Right, right. And it would have felt safer. But you're right, what the benefit was was not just the restoration of a relationship with that woman, whether you ever are BFFs again or not, but it was the relationship with Christ that's really at stake --

Alli Patterson: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- and that connection. I love that, Alli.

And I noticed, too, in your book you use the parable -- and I think this is really powerful, so I want us to talk through this. Okay? You use the parable of the wise and foolish builder. Okay? Because, like, in your situation right there, the foolish builder would not have gone to Starbucks. Okay? So we're talking about being wise versus foolish builders. Okay?

Alli Patterson: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: And you use this to really illustrate building a faith that lasts, and it shows us the importance of foundation. So kind of unpack that and show why it shows us the importance of foundation.

Alli Patterson: Yes. So Jesus says, on his way into that parable -- which is kind of how the book is sectioned. There are three sections, and it's because of his words on the way into that parable. He says, "For all who would come to me and hear my words and put them into practice, I will show you what he is like." And then he tells a parable about two men, both of whom heard the Word, both of whom had trouble hit them, but only one of whom stood up in the end. And the man who stayed standing, the man who built something that ended up being able to weather the storm, if you will, was the man who actually practiced those words in the parable. The other man heard them and didn't build as though he had heard them.

And I'll tell you why. This is my, like -- I studied this parable forever and ever, and the words on the way into it, and the whole sermon it's in, and I think I know why the man who also heard the words didn't do anything. And I think it's because he never came. Jesus says, "Come to me and hear my words and put them into practice." So I went back. Over and over and over, Jesus issues us invitations to come to him. So I started asking myself, what does it really mean to come to Jesus? What does that mean? Because I think one of these guys did it and one of them didn't.

And when we come to Jesus, it's really about the posture of our heart. It's about bringing the wholeness of ourself before him. Every time he issues an invitation to come, that's what he needs. He means bring your whole self to me. Bring your whole heart to me. Bring your real stuff to me. I don't want this nice buttoned-up version of who you are. Bring who you really are to me.

And the Bible also makes it clear that when we do that, our hearts are open before him. The heart is the center of where our behavior comes from. It's not our mind. Like, both of these guys heard the word. And I'm a learner. Like, I love the Word. I could be in there all day long. I love it. But unless we open our heart and fill it with that, we could hear the Word all our whole life and never actually live it. And I think the difference is the practice of coming before him.

And so I think especially in -- again, especially if you are someone who genuinely desires to know God -- maybe you go to church all the time, maybe you do read your Bible, and you would still say, I don't know. Am I really living my faith? My first question would be, have you truly come to him? Have you shown up with your whole self? Have you brought him your real stuff? Is there brutal honesty between you? Is there something in the way between you and God? Like, what's the deal there? Because that's the difference. And Jesus makes it plain that those who come to me and hear my Word and put it into practice will be like a man who's built his house on a foundation.

So the final practice is what gets you down to the rock. And again, that goes back to our risks, right? When we actually move, when we actually believe his Word enough to move, that's when you dig a little. That's when you get a little rock under your feet because you own it. You did it. You're living it.

Jennifer Rothschild: Wow.

Alli Patterson: And I think that's what's going on here in the parable. And the foolish builder, oh, my goodness, how many times have I been this guy? Right? My goodness. Because the sand he's building on, it's nice and hard and packed and firm in the summertime; and it's only when the storm comes that you realize, oh, this isn't strong enough.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. It erodes it --

Alli Patterson: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- the foundation.

Alli Patterson: I think for whole seasons of our life, we can kind of get away with building on the sand; and when everything's fine, you're fine. It's only when everything's not fine that you go, okay, I'm either on a rock or I'm not, right?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. Wow.

Well, and as you were saying that, too, about coming and hearing but not doing, James talks about that you deceive yourself when you hear the Word and don't do it. So we live in this perpetual self-deception, and instead of looking toward the foundation and our initial heart, we're looking at everything out there. Well, if the storm would just not come, you know, that's the deception.

Alli Patterson: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: If the storm would not come, I would be okay. But there's a depth to our being okay. And, in fact, you've just alluded to it a little bit, but I want us to make it super clear and simple for our listeners as I perceived it in your book. Okay? Because you give us three very simple rhythms, you call them, based on these words of Jesus. So give us those three words, those three rhythms, and tell us how they are going to help us build and maintain a stable foundation.

Alli Patterson: So the three words are "come," "hear," and "practice." And I wanted to maintain Jesus' words because I believe that those right there in plain sight are kind of the secret rhythm that's underneath everybody I've ever known. I don't know if they would use those words, but the practices are there, they're present in their life. The first one is "come." And in the book, I really talk about several different ways that you can practice coming before God. One of those is confession. Sometimes we hold things back from God because we genuinely don't want to disappoint him, we don't want to acknowledge something, whatever the reason is. Sometimes we hesitate to kind of do that raw honesty thing and we know there's something we need to confess to him. Other times we need to have a practice of coming before him that is personal. It's time and space in our life and we just aren't making the time and space to be with him. Think about anybody that you've built a relationship with in your life. You have made time and space to be with that person. And for some reason, we don't attribute that same thing to God. We overlook that sometimes. We shortchange that regular time and space to be together. So the practice of coming is really about bringing the wholeness of yourself, both physically, emotionally, spiritually, bring it to him and be honest about it. And sometimes we are in okay shape, and sometimes we're a mess, and all of that is okay with him.

And the second practice is hearing. And this is the whole middle part of the book. I really call this the hinge, because I believe so strongly in the power of the Word of God to lay this foundation. So you come to Jesus for a reason. You come because you need something. You need wisdom, you need guidance, you need something you don't have, and it's in the Word of God. And so hearing is really about turning the volume down on other things in your life and turning up the volume of the Word of God.

And in the book I talk about practices that I have in my life, very practical ways that I try to do this.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, tell us how.

Alli Patterson: One of the things is -- I'm a runner. I love to run. And a lot of times I run in silence because it's a way that I can turn the volume down. How much do we have things in our ears all the time? Words, words, words coming at us. So I will run in silence or I'll drive in silence just to make space for God to kind of help me notice what's going on in my mind and heart, maybe help whisper something to me. You know, he needs you to turn down the other words in your life. There's an awful lot of them.

And then regular practices of hearing the Word of God. Like, I do this all different ways. Sometimes I -- I always read because I'm a reader. I like to read.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Alli Patterson: I always like to listen to the Word of God, too, because so much of it is meant to be heard and experienced out loud. And so the other day I was in the gym and I just felt just a little nudge. I wanted to put -- a show that I was watching on the elliptical, I wanted to put my headphones in. And I just felt this little nudge like, hey, how about you listen to the chapter that you read this morning? And I've learned to recognize those as little invitations. When I get those little ideas, I feel like, okay, that's an invitation from God. I can say yes or no to this. So I say yes. And it ended up being an incredibly powerful experience for me. There was something in those words for me that I needed.

And so he's offering them, right? And I could say yes or no. I could have just gone on and put my show in my ears and had a laugh on the elliptical, but he gave me an invitation. So I try to say yes to surrounding myself with the Word of God.

And then the last practice is kind of what I described in the Starbucks story, it's being willing to actually do it. It's amazing to me how many times we can read words and go, like, yep, theoretically, I agree with those --

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.

Alli Patterson: -- and we don't actually just do what it says.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, yeah.

Alli Patterson: And so for me, that is -- so often it can be exactly what's written on the page or -- and this is where it gets fun. Like, this is where I just think a life of faith is just more fun. I find the more I'm in the written Word of God, the more I'm in Scripture, the more I hear his voice when I'm not in Scripture.

And so as I think about the whole practice of faith, sometimes it's those little nudges, the whispered words, the thoughts you can't fully account for. There is a presence of the Holy Spirit around you and within you that, again, wants to communicate. That's the key thing about God, is he wants to connect. And when I really started understanding that, I was willing to risk -- like, I think this is God, I'm just going to do it. No downside here, I'm just going to see. And I think it delights him, because I think it's the faith that delights him. I don't think it's whether I was right or wrong, whether I did it good or bad. Maybe that matters a little, but it certainly doesn't matter like the faith to say, you know, I'm pretty sure this is God, I'm going to go for it.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. Well, I mean, Scripture says without faith, it is impossible to please God. He does honor and strengthen our faith.

And so what I really like about this conversation and your book is how you made God's Word very practical and accessible. This story that so many people may have known their whole life, but to see how it is actually our story. And it's really less about picking up a hammer, and it's more about the way we respond to Jesus' words and invitations --

Alli Patterson: Yes. Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- and that's powerful.

So here's going to be the last question, though. Because I know there are some listening who are like, oh, man, I've been walking with the Lord for 20 years and I just realized I got it wrong. Okay. Now, I'm not going to say they got it wrong, but I'm saying I can see how someone would feel that way. So, Alli, is it ever too late --

Alli Patterson: Oh, my gosh.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- to build the right foundation?

Alli Patterson: Never, never, never. Because I just say the material of the foundation, if you will, the actual rock, it's so much grace for you. It's grace. And it never runs out. It's not limited to this lifetime. If you say to God today, "Hey, I think you know I love you, and you see what I've been doing, but the truth is, I'm not sure we're really connected," hey, grace for you. Oh, my goodness, grace for you. The very act of saying that to God is the beginning of everything good. So I would say don't sweat it. There's so much grace for you.

Jennifer Rothschild: Grace, grace, grace. It is never too late to begin building a strong foundation that will support you and steady you in this life.

K.C. Wright: I love the parable about the wise and foolish builder. And I got to be real honest, I never thought of the opening being such a powerful word.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, me too.

K.C. Wright: "Come," "hear," "practice." So good. I'm in. And I know you are too. So go to the Show Notes now at to read the transcript of this powerful conversation and get Alli's book.

You know, JR, the Bible says to everything there's a season. There's a season to laugh, there's a season to cry, a season to dance. You know, there's a season. But there's never a season to quit.

Jennifer Rothschild: Amen.

K.C. Wright: And that's the message of this podcast.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, it really is.

K.C. Wright: Nobody's quitting on our watch. We need everyone. Amen?

Jennifer Rothschild: That's right. Yes. So let's be wise. Let's come, let's hear, and let's practice. We can because we can do all things through Christ who gives us strength. I can.

K.C. Wright: I can.

Jennifer Rothschild: And you can.

K.C. Wright: (Singing) When the moon hits your eye --

Jennifer and K.C.: -- like a big pizza pie, that's amore.

Jennifer Rothschild: I've already got Italian on the brain with you now.

K.C. Wright: [Speaks in Italian]

Jennifer Rothschild: I love it. Okay. Goodbye 4:13ers.

K.C. Wright: Make your spaghetti and throw it on the ceiling until it sticks.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, it's going to be a long summer.


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