4:13 Podcast: Can I Let Go of What’s Keeping Me From Soul Revival? With Lisa Whittle

Lisa Whittle: And I think that is part of what the Lord began to do in me, was say what are the things that you hold precious, that are perhaps consuming you that you don't even recognize, that are good parts of you, that are perhaps beneficial to you and others, but are also costing you some vibrancy with me because maybe they take up time, maybe they take up mental space, maybe they are requiring more of you that you are not even noticing.

But in you allowing me some more space here, I'm going to begin to give you insight because your brain will be more clear, your heart will be more clear.

Jennifer Rothschild: Our souls long for less of us and more of God, for less of this broken world and more of Jesus' abundant life. Well, put simply, for revival.

So on today's podcast, author and podcaster Lisa Whittle is going to show you the freedom of surrendering to God, releasing your need for comfort, control, popularity, even blessings. She's going to show us how offering everything to God is going to bring the renewed spiritual vitality that we all crave.

So get ready to get revived, because the podcast is ready to start.

KC Wright: Welcome to the 4:13 Podcast, where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you up to live the "I Can" life, because you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

Now welcome your host, Jennifer Rothschild.

Jennifer Rothschild: Hey, friends. KC Wright there, my Seeing Eye Guy. Two friends, one topic, zero stress here in the podcast closet. We're so glad you're back with us. I hope you had a good week. I've had a good week.

But I'm a little concerned about my friend over here smushed in the closet. You seem a little discombobulated.

KC Wright: Yeah. You know --

Jennifer Rothschild: What's up?

KC Wright: -- what I love about the podcast is the zero stress.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

KC Wright: But truth be told --

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah?

KC Wright: -- I'm carrying some stress.

Jennifer Rothschild: I can tell, dude.

KC Wright: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: What's up?

KC Wright: So give me some advice, JR.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, I don't know if I have it.

KC Wright: You've one of the smartest people I know.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, I don't know.

KC Wright: You're never gonna believe this.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. What?

KC Wright: But, you know, nature is nature-ing here in the Ozarks where we live, where we reside.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, yeah, because everything is happy and blossoming.

KC Wright: Right. Spring has sprung and summer's in full force.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.

KC Wright: Okay?

Jennifer Rothschild: Right.

KC Wright: However, we've got some issues at the Wright Homestead. I've got bunnies, cute little bunnies everywhere in my backyard. But you're never going to believe this. There are two, I call them demonic squirrels, in a tree in front of my home that are literally eating my Jeep.

Jennifer Rothschild: Eating your --

KC Wright: Literally eating my car.

Jennifer Rothschild: No.

KC Wright: So I love my Jeep.

Jennifer Rothschild: I know you do.

KC Wright: And it's got these latches on the front to hold the hood down?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

KC Wright: You can see their teeth marks on both of the latches on either side. They're gnawing my latches. They're gnawing the thing on the back --

Jennifer Rothschild: 'Cause they're plastic, right?

KC Wright: They're plastic. They're after some kind of seed oil or something in it. I posted this on my Facebook and everyone had a comment.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

KC Wright: Anyway, so --

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, my understanding is the little demonic squirrels are teething.

KC Wright: Right.

Jennifer Rothschild: They're trying to sharpen their teeth.

KC Wright: So I had to eliminate my garage gym. Now I'm fat over these squirrels again. Okay? I had to eliminate my garage gym so I can pull my gym now -- my garage into my garage.

Jennifer Rothschild: Your Jeep is now in the garage?

KC Wright: I'm pulling my Jeep now into the garage for the first time ever to protect it from the demon squirrels. So --

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay.

KC Wright

Even this morning I come home and I've got a little -- I got a little junk car also in my driveway in case I need it.

Jennifer Rothschild: Sure.

KC Wright: Those little jokers were coming out from underneath that car.

Jennifer Rothschild: What is plastic under there that they're eating?

KC Wright: I don't know. It's like they're building an army to attack me.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, I have a solution.

KC Wright: Okay.

Jennifer Rothschild: Did you ever see The Christmas Story? Do you remember what the little boy wanted so badly? It was a Red Ryder --

Jennifer and KC: BB gun.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay all you animal lovers out there --

KC Wright: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- I'm just saying, sometimes there is a time and a place for a Red Ryder BB gun.

KC Wright: I come from a long line of hillbillies on my dad's side, and I remember the squirrel chili and the squirrel stew.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, gross.

KC Wright: No, I've never had squirrel. But a lot of people here do eat squirrel.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, yeah. Well, you could be helping people, then, by taking care of those squirrels so you could feed a family.

KC Wright: Option 1, I get on Amazon and I buy all these things people told me to do, like peppermint, peppermint paddles.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, that's what we supposedly used, and it doesn't help.

KC Wright: It doesn't help. I'm not into wasting money.

Option 2, we saw that tree down.

Jennifer Rothschild: Ooh.

KC Wright: Yeah, we can saw it down. We can cut that tree down, because their nests are up there.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay.

KC Wright: But this is the same squirrel that I found last Christmas removing my Christmas balls. And he ran off with it like a little football.

Or option 3, I'm buying a BB gun on Amazon.

Jennifer Rothschild: Red Ryder. Red Ryder BB gun.

KC Wright: They're only $35, and that's an investment I can believe in.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, that's hilarious. Though part of me would just like to keep the demonic squirrels in your front and back yard just because it gives me something to laugh at.

KC Wright: And do you know what? This is how much I love animals. I follow this little Instagram reel where they have a camera inside a squirrel house, and one of my favorite little videos -- you may have seen this if you're listening -- is lightning strikes and the little squirrel grabs his heart --

Jennifer Rothschild: No!

KC Wright: -- because he's scared of the storm.

Jennifer Rothschild: All right. You can't kill the squirrel with the BB gun.

KC Wright: Anyway, I was just thinking of having a buddy of mine build a little squirrel house in my backyard. Those days are gone forever.

Jennifer Rothschild: No way. Huh-uh.

KC Wright: No.

Jennifer Rothschild: They do not belong.

KC Wright: They're just -- they're eating the Jeep.

Jennifer Rothschild: They need to behave. They need to behave. Oh, man.

Okay. Well, now I understand why you're stressed.

KC Wright: Yeah, yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, deep breaths.

KC Wright: Okay. All right, we're back.

Jennifer Rothschild: All right, we're back.

KC Wright: All right.

Jennifer Rothschild: All right. Now, there is just no way to transition. All I know is we probably really need -- you especially need a soul revival right now, my bro bro.

KC Wright: There you go.

Jennifer Rothschild: All right. So let's introduce Lisa.

KC Wright: Lisa Whittle is the author of several books and Bible studies, including "Your God Knows," "Body and Soul," "The Hard Good," and "Jesus Over Everything." She's the founder of Ministry Strong and co-founder of Called Creatives, as well as the host of the Jesus Over Everything Podcast. Lisa and her family live in beautiful North Carolina.

Here are Lisa and Jennifer.

Jennifer Rothschild: Where there are plenty of squirrels.

All right, Lisa. We're friends. I'm happy to have you back. I love talking to you. I love what the Lord does in you, your writing. And we're going to talk about a Bible study that's based on a book. So let me just start with this.

The Bible study, I believe, is called "Come Back to God," and it's letting go of what's keeping you from soul revival. So tell us about this. Like, what Bible study -- I mean, what book is this Bible study based on? And I want you to talk about soul revival, because I want to know what that phrase means to you and how it applies to each of us.

Lisa Whittle: Well, I love talking to you, first of all. This feels like such a hug for me today.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yay.

Lisa Whittle: It does. Yeah, it's -- this study means a lot to me. It's a long time coming in so many ways. Because I wrote a book called "I Want God," goodness, 2012, 2011. Centuries ago it feels like.

But, yeah, I was at a point in my life where I felt like life was consuming, and I needed God to consume me more than my life was consuming me. And I didn't even know what that meant really, I just knew that it felt like things were piling on. And more than anything, I felt spiritually dry.

And, you know, it didn't make a lot of sense. I didn't really know what that meant. I was in a place where I was writing books and traveling and speaking and doing all those things that felt like service to God, but I felt so distant from God.

And I remember being in my office in my home and putting my face in the carpet fibers of my floor and saying, "God, I will not hold back any part of me." Because historically it was like there was that one piece that I just didn't want to let go, whatever it was. Like, "You can have all of it but that."

And I just felt in a place of desperation, Jenn. I was like, "No, you can have everything, and I will not -- you can mess with me in every area." I'm desperate. I just felt that sort of soul desperation.

And I remember I'd got my kids off to school. I was in a Snuggie. I remember I was wearing my daughter's Snuggie. I don't know if you remember the Snuggies at the time?

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, I remember Snuggies, yes.

Lisa Whittle: Yeah. And I looked a mess. And I just was like, "God, I just need you to breathe life into me." And God spoke over me the word "revival." And, you know, I grew up -- we had revivals at my church, and I just thought this is so odd. I was hoping for a psalm. I was, you know, hoping for some kind of -- you know, just a song. I don't know what I was hoping for.

But revival felt like I -- where was I gonna go? Was there a church that was having one? I don't know.

But I went and did what any good Christian would do, I went to the computer and I Googled the word "revival." And "revivals" came up, but the first one that came up was in the early 1900s, the Welsh Revival. And I began to just soak in what I was reading of, like, how God radically moved in the early 1900s in Wales.

And I was -- I'd never read about it before, and it just began to, like, rattle something within me, like, this is the same God who did this. And I am this mom who is just regular, just needing God to breathe inside of me. And this is the same God, and I know he can do this. And he did things in the Old Testament and, "God, can you do this inside of me if I just give you every single part of me?"

And it led me to write this book, "I Want God." And honestly, at that moment I wanted to want him. I can't say I wanted him with everything within me, but I wanted to. And I just said, "God, I want to want you."

And from that place -- I wrote a lot of words in this book, "I Want God," and I realized there were a lot of things that were standing in the way of that. And so "Come Back to God," this Bible study, is sort of like helping people dive into the Bible and really look at Scripture and what it looks like to sort of drift spiritually and come back to him.

And it's based a lot in Revelation 2 and the Church of Ephesus, that letter. And so that's kind of where it comes from. And I've wanted to write this Bible study for a long time, but it's just been years and years, but I believe this is the time that the Lord ordained it.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, I do too, because I think what you described is how a lot of us feel. Sometimes there's seasons, sometimes there's days. But it sounds like you were in a season back then when you almost -- you know, the dryness, the spiritual stuckness, it wasn't because of a lack of effort, it wasn't because of a lack of wanting to serve God.

But you said something, Lisa, that I want you to unpack a little, because I think someone listening may be where you were. You said something about being consumed and, therefore, being consumed by God and you didn't even know what that meant. Okay. If you can remember that nifty statement you said. I want you to unpack that now in retrospect. How did you then experience that when you came out of that dryness and into a soul revival?

Lisa Whittle: Well, I'll say that it wasn't instant. I think that's sort of the myth -- right? -- that we think that, like, okay, in that moment there's going to be this massive spiritual experience. And I think it's different for everybody. I wouldn't say that there -- there is not a one-size-fits-all experience with the Lord.

I hoped in that moment that some type of shift would happen where I would get up off the carpet fibers of the floor and I would, like, feel completely different. I think I felt lighter immediately because I had confessed sin and I had given everything over to God without holding back. I think certainly that is somewhat universal when we open our whole heart up to God in a moment.

But I think what I felt was the results of obedience, because the Lord began to immediately open up insight and say to me these are -- this is the way, walk in it. And so I began to really have next steps.

And so I think that's what a lot of us are looking for -- right? -- is some next steps. And so one of the things that the Lord showed me in that moment was what he wanted me to stop doing. And one of those things was -- at the time I was very active as a blogger, and it was part of a process of being a public person.

And I had just released actually a book, ironically, on a different subject, and part of that was like a promotional process that I was supposed to do to let people know about the book, and blogging was a part of that. And he basically said, "I want you to stop blogging and stop writing," which was an outlet that I enjoyed doing and part of my livelihood. "I want you to stop doing that for 30 days and I want you to go dark with me and see what else I can speak to you about."

Jennifer Rothschild: Ooh. Okay. Ooh.

Lisa Whittle: And so it -- so it was going to cost me something.

Jennifer Rothschild: Right. Right.

Lisa Whittle: And I think that is part of what the Lord began to do in me, was say, what are the things that you hold precious, that are perhaps consuming you that you don't even recognize? That are good parts of you, that are perhaps beneficial to you and others, but are also costing you some vibrancy with me because maybe they take up time, maybe they take up mental space. Maybe they are requiring more of you that you are not even noticing. But in that -- in you allowing me some more space here, I'm going to begin to give you insight because your brain will be more clear, your heart will be more clear.

And so I went 30 days dark. It didn't make sense to me or anyone else. It was actually counter to what was maybe a good thing to do in the sense of my business, right?

Jennifer Rothschild: Right, right.

Lisa Whittle: But it was good for my soul. And the Lord began to show me more things.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, gosh. Okay.

Lisa Whittle: I think a lot of times, Jennifer, we think, I want to hear from God.

Jennifer Rothschild: Right.

Lisa Whittle: I'm desperate to hear next steps, I'm desperate to hear direction, but then we don't do the things that would actually make that possible. We're still looking at our phone, we're still scrolling manically or -- you know, our life looks very the same --

Jennifer Rothschild: This is super good.

Lisa Whittle: -- and so we don't really create that -- yeah, we don't create that pathway.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, what I'm hearing too is, oh, just the discomfort that may come with it. And I think we think, okay, yes, Lord, I will do what you want me to do as long as it feels right.

And so you just articulated one of the themes that you deal with in your study well, which is this theme of letting go of things that keep us from God, even good things like blogging. Doing the right thing for your ministry, for your business, that's a good thing.

So what I want to know is -- you said it was almost counterintuitive that you did that. How does someone listening, who's wanting to really hear from the Lord, and they've been on the carpet and they are asking the Lord, "I need a soul revival," how do they know that it's not just their imagination and they're really hearing from God?

Lisa Whittle: Yeah. I think that's a profound question. I'll say this. This is simple, and then I'll give a little practical here. You know, for me, a lot of things that cost me when I feel compelled to give something up or to put something aside, if it's going to cost me, I generally know that's not my idea --

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Lisa Whittle: -- because I'm not going to want to do it, Jen. Like, I -- there's no way in the world.

Jennifer Rothschild: Right.

Lisa Whittle: Also if it's something over time. I mean, I talk about a shopping fast that the Lord had me do for a year in the book "Jesus Over Everything." I love to shop, so that's not going to be a Lisa Whittle idea, clearly.

Jennifer Rothschild: Right.

Lisa Whittle: Because I can justify that all day long. I'm like, I don't buy expensive things. I actually buy things on a bargain. I love doing that. It's actually a little bit of a game for me.

Jennifer Rothschild: And it's stewardship. Come on.

Lisa Whittle: Yeah, right. Is that going to be something I'm going to want to do? No way. And also, shopping is not wrong. That's not biblically wrong. So if I -- if something like that comes to my spirit -- and especially over time, which it had, like, nagging over and over -- I know that's something the Spirit's putting on my mind.

Okay. Now let me give you a little bit of practical here, because people -- this is really helpful for me. This was something the Lord put over time for me to begin to kind of vet myself. If you're saying, Hey, I'm stuck, I can't make traction, maybe this is the Lord also showing me something that could be an idol even in my life. How do I spot it?

One, if you grieve over the thought of losing it. There's a measure of grief about putting something aside. That's kind of a sign. Two, if you have to keep secrets in order to keep it hidden or to keep it sort of for yourself, that can be a sign as well.

One of the things that I realized for myself with my shopping was that I began to hide purchases from my husband. Not -- I don't -- I don't think I would have lied to him at the time. If he had asked me about something, I would not have overtly lied to him. But I also, like, quickly brought them into the house.

Jennifer Rothschild: You didn't mention it. Yeah.

Lisa Whittle: Right, didn't mention it. Put them quickly into the closet where we didn't have to have a discussion about it, right?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. Gotcha.

Lisa Whittle: Harmless. But over time, is it harmless, you know?

Three, if you make excuses for why it's okay to have it. If you're constantly making excuses for your thing, then maybe it's something that's getting in the way.

Like, here's the point. I want to live right. I want to live holy. I want to live pure before God. And I love the feeling of freedom in my bones. I don't want anything in the way. Honestly, Jennifer, I don't. Because I want my prayer life to be vibrant, I want my soul to sing. I want all of that for my life. It feels different. I breathe air different. And I've lived both ways.

And that's really what coming back to God is all about. I think a lot of us, you know, even when we might see the title of that study, we're like, well, I'm not away from God.

Jennifer Rothschild: I was going to ask you that. Yeah. That's good. I'm glad you're addressing this. Yeah.

Lisa Whittle: Yeah. Because we are, a lot of us, good Christians and we do check boxes, there's this thought in our brain of, like, I am not overtly rebellious.

Jennifer Rothschild: Right.

Lisa Whittle: I am not away from God. But there is this, like, slight drift, and that is the thing that I think we need to begin to recognize. That's why I address things like comfort and control, and even things like blessing, which in and of themselves are, like, good and right things. The Bible addresses these things.

But when we begin to want these things over just the relationship with God himself, they're distractions and they get in our way. And so that's the kind of thing that I help us pull apart in the study, which I hope to be really helpful.

Jennifer Rothschild: It sounds practical too. And it reminds me so much of your -- just the whole premise of your podcast. Which, by the way, we already mentioned, and I'll make sure we link you to it, our friends, Jesus Over Everything. JOE. It's easy to remember J-O-E.

Lisa Whittle: JOE. JOE.

Jennifer Rothschild: JOE

Lisa Whittle: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: Lisa, I appreciate your depth and your willingness. I wasn't going to ask you this, but I just want to address it real quickly. You've written another study -- sorry to shift gears on you, sister -- "Body and Soul."

Lisa Whittle: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: And I know you've done that with Lifeway Press. I'm curious how this whole almost -- your whole life being a sacrament to God, how that's been expressed in this "Body and Soul" Bible study. Because some of the things you mentioned that could be part of how we're tempted by idols are very physical things: food, comfort, whatever.

Give us just an idea of this body and soul concept that you've written about and how it applies to our whole lives being a sacrament to God, being 100% committed.

Lisa Whittle: Oh, my gosh. I love that you asked this. "Body and Soul" has been a transformative work for me. There's so much I didn't know about the body and living our whole embodied lives. I mean, that for me changed my entire life. Because I had parsed out my life so much and really had not understood what it meant to live body, mind, and spirit.

And even more than that, had not understood in the least what his life and our life and our bodies and living our embodied life had to do with him coming in human form in the incarnate Christ. And "Body and Soul" is whole body theology, which has been transformative for me, a biblical belief system of God's creation of us in our entire personhood, body and soul.

And the interesting thing about it is I had written, actually, "Come Back to God" before I wrote "Body and Soul." We didn't release it until after "Body and Soul" --

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh.

Lisa Whittle: -- but now -- I know. That's a little tidbit here that I don't think I've ever said anywhere.

Jennifer Rothschild: Love it.

Lisa Whittle: But what crystallized for me so much when I wrote "Body and Soul" is how much I didn't understand about giving our whole selves over to God and living it as that living sacrifice. But when we understand and have that foundation that most of us, quite honestly, are missing, this framework for living, how that becomes such a natural part of our life. It has changed everything for me, Jennifer, having this foundation of embodied living whole body theology.

Otherwise, what we do is we walk around as parts of ourselves. We say, well, this is my eating life, or this is my sex life, or this is my rest life, or this is my work life, and we treat ourselves like a workhorse. Or we say, okay, sleep is rest. And in reality, we can be a completely restless person, but we think, well, as long as I get eight hours of sleep at night, and I'll track that with my watch, and I'm all good.

And in reality, God is saying to us, no, you don't understand. From Genesis to Revelation, I have given you this entire framework for how I have made you body, mind, and spirit. And I live inside of you as a believer, and I am helping you live your entire life, and I have communion with you. So when I came in human form, not only to relate to you, but then died -- and the crucifixion is all a part of this. Because, yes, we look at the crucifixion -- I don't mean to get too nerdy in the theology of this --

Jennifer Rothschild: No. I love it.

Lisa Whittle: -- which is what "Body and Soul" is all about -- we think, okay, well, that's a one and done. He died so that we might have eternal and abundant life. And, yes, that is the primary reason for that gift. But also it is that we might have reprieve and rest in our body every day, which means that we find the comfort in him and we find the way that we have ability to live in our life every day, even in our humanity and our struggles and our limitations and our disabilities. And the thing is, we don't even realize this.

And so honestly, it's changed everything. And it does go very hand in hand with living our life deferring to him with our comforts, rather than giving ourself human comforts, which are so temporary and so fleeting, and yet that's what we look to. So it all really plays together.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Lisa Whittle: But interestingly, I wrote "Come Back" to God first. And I don't know how it would have informed them differently, but I think it just makes it all the richer because writing "Body and Soul" has just radically changed my life.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, that's why I asked you about it, because, honestly, I think they play so nice together. To me, you cannot have one without the other --

Lisa Whittle: No.

Jennifer Rothschild: -- this whole body theology without this soul revival, this recognition that our whole lives are a sacrament, a living sacrifice to him.

Okay, Lisa, this is really good. And by the way, friends, I'll also link to Lisa's Bible study, a video-based Bible study too. Both of these are. But that one we just talked about is called "Body and Soul."

Okay. But we're going to get to the last question. Lisa, so someone who's been -- they're tracking with this whole conversation. They've been walking with God for years. But you know what? Honestly, they feel a little bored. Like, been there, done that. It's the peril of the familiar. But they're kind of bored with the whole thing. What encouragement can you leave her with so that she can experience this revival in her soul?

Lisa Whittle: Listen, I think we've all been there. And I love that God is not offended by our humanity, right? I mean, he's tender to that.

I think something that I realized actually in writing "Body and Soul" -- not to go over there, but it does apply here -- is that we are so often wanting to be free from the human experience of things we actually go through in our life, and we think freedom is being free from some of those natural things that we go through. That doesn't mean that we can't have victory in our relationship with Christ.

And I think that's the important thing. Because what Satan wants us to do is go into the shame mode and go into the guilt mode, which then further separates us from Christ, saying, Well, listen, you're bored, so just stay out of your Bible. Or, You're bored? Do not approach the Lord. He is so mad at you because you are bored with your relationship with the Lord? How dare you do that? Like, that offends God.

And in reality, God loves you. He loves you. And he's wanting you to come to him and say, "I'm stale. I'm stale in my relationship with you. And I love you and I want to get back there."

And I love Hebrews 2, because Hebrews 2 is about the drift. And there's the verse that -- Hebrews 2:1 that says we must listen carefully to the truth we have heard so we may not drift away from it. And so recalling what God has done for us, how he's loved us, how he's been tender with us, I find it does much more good than just feeling ashamed or feeling overwhelmed. But just saying, okay, what were the times that I felt so loved by God?

I mean -- I'm going to tell you this. I have a bright purple bush that is right outside my front window. My dad died in 2017. He was a complicated man, we had a complicated relationship, but purple was his favorite color. I love flowers and I can't plant a thing. But somebody that lived here before me had a green thumb and they planted a purple azalea bush in front of my window, Jennifer. And when I look outside that window, I feel so loved by God.

And sometimes I just need to go, God, you love me. And right now I'm spiritually dry, but I know you love me. And I had a heritage of faith that I grew up with, and my life has been complicated, and so is sometimes my relationship with the church, but I love you and I want to get back in the Word. And I just open my Bible and that's where we start.

And so my encouragement to someone would be don't get overwhelmed by all the to-dos and the ways that you have failed in the last two weeks to not read your Bible. Just remember the ways that you've been deeply loved by God. Breathe in some air, get off your phone -- it's probably not doing you any good --

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Lisa Whittle: -- and open your Bible and say, "God, I love you. Remind me how you love me, and let's start there."

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, our friends, God is tender to our humanity. Lisa's right, Satan wants us to go into shame mode. Oh, but God loves you and he knows what it is to be you, so come to him. Tell him when you feel stale. Tell him the truth.

KC Wright: Yes. Recall the times you felt loved. Open your Bible. Start there. Don't get overwhelmed with all the to-dos, just remember the ways you've been loved. I encourage people to do this. Put your hand on your heart once a day and just say out loud, "God loves me."

Oh, man, this was so good today.

Jennifer Rothschild: It was.

KC Wright: If you want to review it, you can listen again, or, of course, read the transcript at 413podcast.com/407. And, of course, you can get her book there as well.

Okay, our wonderful peeps. We love you.

Jennifer Rothschild: We do.

KC Wright: We mean it.

Jennifer Rothschild: We do.

KC Wright: And until next week -- I know, I don't want to go either -- just trust God. He is better than anything. He meets all of our needs according to his riches and glory by Christ Jesus. He's so good. He's a good, good God, and you can experience soul revival right now because you can truly do all things through Christ who gives you strength. I can.

Jennifer Rothschild: I can.

Jennifer and KC: And you can.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, now let's go buy a BB gun.