Can I Get Clear on What God Created Me To Do? With Heather MacFadyen [Episode 274]

Clear God Created Calling Heather MacFadyen

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Studies show that the average adult makes about 122 decisions a day. Lots of those decisions are small, of course, but not all of them. Some of our decisions can change the trajectory of our lives.

So, how do you know those important decisions landed you in the right place in life?

Instead of living with confidence and embracing the path we’re on, we often question if we made the right choices. We fear we’re not where we’re supposed to be and worry we’re missing opportunities God has placed before us.

But this wrestling in our minds gives us no rest in our hearts!

So today’s guest, author and podcaster Heather MacFadyen, will help you toss aside insecurities, embrace God’s sovereignty, and step into the role God has assigned you, right where you are.

As we talk about Heather’s book, Right Where You Belong: How to Identify and Fully Occupy Your God-Given Space, she’ll teach you how to have confidence in God’s assignments and find contentment in occupying the space you’re in. You’ll learn to stop resisting where God has placed you or thinking your current situation must change before you can see His will for your life.

It’s time to settle into your space and grow in obedience to God’s calling! So let’s do it!

Meet Heather

Heather MacFadyen is the host of the parenting podcast Don’t Mom Alone, as well as the author of the book Don’t Mom Alone. She finds great joy in connecting other women to mentors and experts through her podcast and in speaking at live events. She and her husband and their four sons live in Dallas, Texas.

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4:13 Podcast: Can I Get Clear on What God Created Me To Do? With Heather MacFadyen [Episode 274]

Heather MacFadyen: It means to occupy your God-given space. That it's actually in humility that we look at what has God given me to steward, and am I doing it? And am I trusting that that's enough? That God outside of that space is working on my behalf, that filling that space is significant. That if the space feels too big for us, that if God has invited us and assigned us to it, that he will partner with us in filling it.

Jennifer Rothschild: Studies show that the average adult makes about 122 decisions a day. Lots of them are small decisions, of course, but not all of them. Our decisions can change the trajectory of our lives. So how do we know that all those decisions have landed us in the right place in life? Well, today's guest, author and podcaster Heather MacFadyen, is going to help you toss aside insecurities, embrace God's sovereignty, and step into the role that God has already assigned you right here where you are. She is going to teach you how to have confidence in God's assignments and help you find contentment and occupy the space that you are already in. So open your heart because here we go.

K.C. Wright: Welcome to the 4:13 Podcast, where practical encouragement and Biblical wisdom set you and I up to live the "I Can" life, because you can truly do all things through Christ who gives you his strength.

Now, welcome your host, Jennifer Rothschild.

Jennifer Rothschild: Hello, our friends. Jennifer here to help you be and do more than you feel capable of as you live this "I Can" life. Me and K.C. are nice and snuggly in the closet.

K.C. Wright: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: We're not snuggling, I promise.

K.C. Wright: No.

Jennifer Rothschild: But we are sitting in the closet together. And it is nice and warm in here because it is (singing) cold outside.

K.C. Wright: But it's the most wonderful time of the year.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, it is. Especially for K.C., who's got the trees up. Had the trees up for a while.

But, K.C., you started to tell me something, and I said, "No, you need to wait and tell all of us," because you were talking about a little snowball. Okay. So give us the history here.

K.C. Wright: Yes. My daughter, Ellie, loves anything with four legs. Okay? She loves all animals.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.

K.C. Wright: All animals.

Jennifer Rothschild: I know she loved Lucy. She took such good care of Lucy.

K.C. Wright: So for just a little recap here, we have a Doodle named Brennan. He is a Black Australian Labradoodle who -- he has two jobs. He does security at the Wright Homestead, barks at everything. Ellie yells at him, "Stopped barking." I go, "Leave him alone, he's doing his job." He's security. All right?

Jennifer Rothschild: Security!

K.C. Wright: And then his second job is to give humanity a hug.

Jennifer Rothschild: Ooh.

K.C. Wright: He's a hug with hair.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, that's so sweet.

K.C. Wright: And then we have a lion haired rabbit named Leo.

Jennifer Rothschild: I know. Which is adorable.

K.C. Wright: That my daughter literally has a leash and walks the rabbit around the yard. True story. True story.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay.

K.C. Wright: This summer she was walking Leo barefoot, and she let out a scream. And I ran around the corner and I said, "Stop screaming. Someone's going to call the police." We live in a neighborhood. And there was a ginormous snake staring them both back in the face.

Jennifer Rothschild: You needed the security dog.

K.C. Wright: I said, "Oh, wow, that's a reason to scream."

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

K.C. Wright: But anyway, we have gone through a lot of animals at our house. I helped a homeless man recently and I took on his two dogs, Jethro and Bear. Then we adopted Lucy. You know that story.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, they know that.

K.C. Wright: May God rest her soul. We love her so much and miss her to this very moment.

Jennifer Rothschild: Rest in peace, Lucy.

K.C. Wright: We love you, Lucy Girl. She received her golden tail.

Well, anyway, just this week we helped some neighbors. And the neighbors had two beautiful white dogs. And, I'm sorry, I fail to remember the breed of these dogs. But they -- just picture polar bears in their backyard.

Jennifer Rothschild: Bright white, yeah.

K.C. Wright: I saw Ellie's eyes. They were as large as watermelons. "Daddy, look at these beautiful dogs." And they were beautiful. And we're dog lovers, right? But out from behind a bush came all the little babies. All little baby --

Jennifer Rothschild: They had puppies?

K.C. Wright: Little baby snowballs. And one of them was a Snowball. That was the name of this one little snowball. It was a ball of white hair, little --

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, my, gosh, how cute.

K.C. Wright: Anyway, this precious woman, my neighbor, she looked at me and she goes, "Because you've just blessed us and gave us so much, and you are so wonderful and kind to our family, normally these dogs sell between 500 to 1,000 each, but we want you to have Snowball."

Jennifer Rothschild: They wanted to give you Snowball?

K.C. Wright: Free of charge. It would be a Christmas puppy.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh.

K.C. Wright: And I said no. Hold on, hold on, let me pray about it. God said no. No. Hold on, let me fast and pray. Oh, oh, oh, and he said no. I'm done with dogs. I love them, but our home cannot take anymore. My heart can take a Texas size yard of dogs, but I'm done. Because my daughter -- I do all the work. You know, parents. You know what's up.

Jennifer Rothschild: I know. We all say that our kids are going to do it, but we do it. Because we're not going to let anybody starve and we're not going to let them ruin the carpet.

Oh, but that had to be a very hard no.

K.C. Wright: Well, I googled the breed -- and, I'm sorry, again I can't remember -- but it said the number one shedding dog.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh. Well, that would be an easy no.

K.C. Wright: And that was an easy no.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

K.C. Wright: We don't do that, no.

Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, gosh.

K.C. Wright: I'm a clean freak.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, I'm sure Ellie -- you're going to have to really up your game, then, for Ellie for Christmas, because I'm sure she's disappointed. That's funny, though.

I love that, though, K.C. I'm proud of you for saying no.

K.C. Wright: It's been years of therapy and practice.

Jennifer Rothschild: But I'm telling you, puppies and babies, the hardest things to say no to.

K.C. Wright: Yes.

Jennifer Rothschild: But well done.

K.C. Wright: Well done.

Jennifer Rothschild: You are living up to being exactly who God created you to be. Well done.

K.C. Wright: Thank you.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well done.

K.C. Wright: Thank you.

Jennifer Rothschild: All right. Now let's get to this conversation with Heather, because she's got some good stuff. And any of us who still need counseling, Heather's got it, so let's hear her. Let's introduce her.

K.C. Wright: Heather MacFadyen is the host of the parenting podcast Don't Mom Alone, as well as the author of the book "Don't Mom Alone." She finds great joy in connecting other women to mentors and experts through her podcast and in speaking at live events. She and her husband and their four sons live in Dallas, Texas. Now, settle in. Here are Heather and Jennifer.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay, Heather. I'm super glad to have you back again, because I loved our last conversation, which we will have a link to on the Show Notes. But I'm especially looking forward to talking about this new book. Because everyone listening right now, different situations, different seasons, and women in general are just exposed to all sorts of mixed messages, you know, about where they are through books or podcasts or social media. Sometimes we're told, "You just need to hustle more and try harder," and sometimes we're told, "You need to slow down, you know, be more productive," or, "You need to prioritize rest." Okay. Like, it's enough to make you crazy.

All right. So what you say is that we are invited to occupy the space that God gave us. So let's start there. What do you mean by that?

Heather MacFadyen: Yeah. Thanks for having me back. I love chatting with you.

And that occupying your space came from a tweet actually. The guy who invented YouVersion, the Bible app, he was tweeting a quote from one of their devotional writers, and it said that the expanded Jewish definition of "humility," the concept rabbis would teach their students, is that it means to occupy your God-given space. That it's actually in humility that we look at what has God given me to steward, and am I doing it? And am I trusting that that's enough? That God outside of that space is working on my behalf, that filling that space is significant. That if the space feels too big for us, that if God has invited us and assigned us to it, that he will partner with us in filling it.

And so it's just like -- once I saw the tweet and then I was living my life, I couldn't let go of this framework or this concept. And I just found it popping up in lots of situations and bringing a lot of peace and clarity to women, men, eighth graders. Just various people. And I thought, man, this truth needs to get out to people, you know.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. Well, and that's a beautiful definition of humility. Because just to cooperate with that which God has given us, and to live within and operate within and flourish within that space, that is very -- I mean, when you think of it, that is not a self-promotion. That is a response to God in you. And I think we can spend our whole lives, Christian lives, trying to figure out what is God's will and I want to follow it. And we want to, right?

Heather MacFadyen: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: But it can be confusing sometimes to know God's will. So given this kind of template, this idea of occupying your God-given space, what are some very practical ways that we can figure out what is God's will for us?

Heather MacFadyen: Yeah. I think for me, that concept of knowing God's will came from a feeling of I'm missing out and him whispering back to me the truth that if I'm in the middle of his will, I'm never missing out. And so then the challenge for me was, yeah, what is that will and this framework of, okay, look to the boundary lines of the space I've given you and look to the questions of are you being obedient and faithful in the assignments I've given you, and that is plenty. I feel like if we read God's Word, he's not trying to be tricky. He walks with his people, and every story in the Bible is unique, and yet they have these common themes of listening to God and following those invitations and his will being done through them. Even in their missteps, even in their pride of -- like Moses hitting the rock when he was supposed to speak to the rock didn't disrupt God's plan for the Israelites to occupy the Promised Land. Moses had the consequence of not getting to walk in it after all those years. But I think that we see over and over again what is my part? My part is to listen, to walk with God, be filled by his Spirit; and his part is everything else. And we try so hard to be the everything else or to overcomplicate his will, and I just -- yeah. This has helped me. So the practical is those boundary lines. And we can talk through those if you want.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. In fact, that's what I was going to circle back to, because I know the first half of your book that's what you deal with. I believe you deal with four very specific boundaries. So, yeah, go through that with us, because I do think that helps provide that framework for us.

Heather MacFadyen: Because when I was thinking about a God-given space, that Promised Land idea came to mind. And then we have in Joshua where God lays out the boundary lines for the Israelites. He's real clear. He's like, "This tribe goes here, this tribe goes here." A couple of the tribes didn't want to listen and they didn't occupy the space God gave them. But he did, he laid out those boundary lines. And I think he's done the same for us, some unchanging things and boundary lines that do shift over the course of our journey.

And so one I noticed was time, time on the history timeline. God decided when you would be born and the circumstances that led to your birth. It's so interesting to consider what had to come together for me to even exist in this moment and to have gratitude and be humbled by that concept. What's significant about this time? You and I are on a podcast conversation. That didn't exist, you know, 20 years ago.

Jennifer Rothschild: Right.

Heather MacFadyen: And what's significant even in your own story on your timeline? Maybe you're in a season with little kids. Maybe you have parents who are sick. Maybe you personally were diagnosed with something and that in this time is impacting the space.

Another boundary line is your place. What is -- your place is a boundary line where you've been assigned to live, or maybe a choice on moving, a physical place. Maybe it's a space in a company or a position in your church or some sort of assigned position. What is that boundary line for you right now? Something maybe unchanging or maybe, again, a decision.

And then you've got your wiring. God made each of us uniquely. I have four boys, and I always say I have four versions of a boy. Yes, I do think boys are different than girls, but I also believe that they are so unique from each other. And I love seeing how God wired them from the start and how we're helping refine that. Sometimes it's a little bit rough when you're trying to parent a leader at the beginning, but just seeing how that plays out over time. All of us have unique wiring. I love to ask women and men in their adulthood, "What did you love to do as a child?" Have you kind of forgotten about it? That was put in you. And with responsibilities and life thrown at us, sometimes we forget those pieces.

And then the last one is experiences, whether they are positive and something unique to your story. Maybe your parents were married 55 years and you could be an encouragement to someone who is struggling in their marriage or didn't have that model for them and you could share. This is an option. Maybe it was a hard thing. Maybe there was maybe a line of abuse in your story or a loss, a grief, a diagnosis, and you can be the one who's a few steps ahead of someone else. It's a boundary line, but we never want our pain or our good things to be wasted, right? These are part of the assignment God has given us to steward and manage.

So those are the four things that he kind of led me to. And I feel like what I love is it's super bendy for each person, and not a formula, but really a framework that can go with you as you go along the way with God.

Jennifer Rothschild: I like the distinction it's not a formula, it's a framework. So that means our Type A listeners can just take a deep breath because --

Heather MacFadyen: There's no right space.

Jennifer Rothschild: Right. And as I hear you describe that, I think how some people may -- let's say the place they're in right now or the experience they're having may make them feel a little disqualified or disenfranchised, and so they are on pause mode. Like, when the place changes or when the experience changes, then I'll be able to occupy the next space. But until then...

And so how would you speak to that person who is just not in the best place right now, not having the best experience, so, therefore, they think this certainly could not be usable?

Heather MacFadyen: Yeah. I tell a story in the book of a friend who showed up to our craft retreat -- I have to say that very carefully, craft -- creative retreat, and she brought nothing to the table. We each had an assigned space to work on whatever we wanted to work on, or to just be, and she just came. And she was sitting there and watching everyone else be busy and feeling less than as she sat and watched everyone creating quilts and photo books and all the things. And so she decided, okay, I'm going to make my own adventure, and she went -- she decided to rent a canoe and go canoeing by herself.

And what turns out -- the river she was on was managed, and they actually adjust the volume on the river. And so the further she went along -- it was like a draining bathtub -- the water level went lower and lower until she found herself stuck in a muddy riverbed. And she went to call her husband, she's crying. She'd already called the canoe company; they wouldn't come get her. He asked what the canoe company's name was, and it was called the Low Water Canoe Company, which is ironic. And then the town was Nemo, Texas. And when you look up the word "Nemo" in Latin, it means "nobody." And that was just, like, this double -- and she knows Latin. She's brilliant. That's the other thing. It's like she is the brightest person I know. And she is stranded in a muddy riverbed from the Low Water Canoe Company in a town called -- it's nobody. And she's feeling like a stranded nobody, right?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, yeah.

Heather MacFadyen: And fast forward in her story, I was walking through the hardest season of my personal life, and she was the person who showed up on my door with the exact right book and words of encouragement in my time of suffering, a book that literally was my life raft. I'm not -- I know books. We write books and we hear from people that they mean a lot. But this -- like, I clung to every word in it. Other people who'd read the book had written in it Scripture, and so it was like this, "I have gone before." "I have made it through." And so it was the hope that I needed to hold. And that was significant. She filled that space. And she's not a stranded nobody, and her suffering isn't wasted.

And I think that if you're feeling like you've been benched or you're on the sidelines watching everyone else do things that feel more significant and more praised, I just want to encourage you that God isn't wasting that moment. He hasn't forgotten you. You aren't worthless even if the world doesn't see you as worthy. We are always and continue to be worthy, significant, and have belonging in Christ. And I know that feels like the churchy answer. But if we really grasp the depth of his love for us and our identity in him, those circumstances, while completely challenging and heartbreaking, are not the end of the story.

Jennifer Rothschild: No. And that's not a churchy answer, that's a Biblical answer, it really is, Heather.

Heather MacFadyen: It's a Biblical answer.

Jennifer Rothschild: It is.

Heather MacFadyen: But when you're in those hard places, sometimes those words feel more hurtful.

Jennifer Rothschild: Well, yeah, because we do want the soundbite, the formula, you know.

Heather MacFadyen: We want to be out of it. We want to be out of those spaces. We don't want to be in the muddy riverbed stuck.

Jennifer Rothschild: That is absolutely true.

Heather MacFadyen: We want to be out.

Jennifer Rothschild: That is absolutely true. But being in is what qualifies you to help someone else get out.

Heather MacFadyen: Totally.

Jennifer Rothschild: And so that's beautiful.

But, you know, I've got to ask you what book it was that your friend gave you that you read, if you don't mind sharing.

Heather MacFadyen: No, I don't mind. It's called "Red Sea Rules." And it was a guy who wrote about different things he noticed from the story of the Red Sea and the Israelites being stuck between a sea and the Egyptian army. And it would be like I would read a page and it was what I needed for that day as we were watching my dad take his last breath. Anyway, I could -- it was just such a gift.

So I just want people to know that you showing up with your gifts where you are has supernatural ripple effects you may never see. That every interaction where you are filled by the Spirit to encourage or to bring hope matters. And I know it doesn't get accolades, and there's no clapping, and there's no invitation to speak on some major stage at a conference, but that's not God's currency ever.

Jennifer Rothschild: No, no, it's not. Because the ground at the foot of the Cross is perfectly level. There's no one that's high, there's no one that's low. Each one of us matters. And it is sometimes what we think is a small humble gesture that can make sure a huge difference in someone's life. So there is nothing wasted.

You know, Heather, as you shared that, too, I was kind of thinking -- I remember going through a season with blindness where -- you know, I am in a world where there are so many brilliant, competent women, and there are times when I'm just like, Okay, really? I don't think I have much to add and I'm not -- you know, it's so hard for me, I'm not sure it's even worth the output when there's so much good out there, et cetera, et cetera. We all could fill in the blanks of what we might be saying.

So it was during this season I had lunch with one of the Kendrick brothers. We just happened to be at a ministry event together and we were sitting together. And I can't even remember what prompted the conversation. He did not know I was feeling this way. But he started asking me a couple of questions, and he said, "You know what, if you weren't blind, I would have really not nearly as much interest in talking to you about these things." And he did not mean that in an insulting way; he meant that as, like, a credibility kind of affirmation. He had no idea that the one thing I was trying to resist, trying to hide, feeling like it gave me no purpose, he was saying, no, that's your superpower.

Heather MacFadyen: Yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: And so I hear you saying the same thing, and I affirm that for our listeners. What you think is wasted, what you think is defeat, may be the very platform that God is using to build ministry in your life. One on one or a platform, it doesn't really matter, it's all valid.

Heather MacFadyen: Yes. And that's what I love too, that this framework works for the woman who's been called to a bigger space than she feels comfortable. I see women shrinking back who have amazing stories and incredible gifts, and I'm thinking, you're shrinking back thinking that's humility, and it's not.

Jennifer Rothschild: No, it's not.

Heather MacFadyen: It's actually pride that you're more afraid of failing or looking like it's all about you than trusting that God is doing something through you. And I get that we always have to measure this and we always have to check in, and where is my heart and I'm not making it about me. But I really want to encourage women in that.

And also something you said made me think of all the women I interact with. Their time, energy, thoughts are really circling around past woundedness and pain, and I really feel like the enemy is holding them captive from moving forward in the going and making disciples, which is our one calling we all have. Y'all, good news, I just gave you your calling: go and make disciples. My friend Kat Armstrong pointed that out to me. She's like, "We all have the same calling, just our assignments of where we do it."

Jennifer Rothschild: And how we do it, yeah.

Heather MacFadyen: And how we do it. And I think that the freedom -- we need to be set free from those past woundings or bring them to God -- and there's so many amazing ministries that will help you do that -- so you can walk into the assignments.

But I just don't want any more women shackled by the past. That was not what God wanted for you. That's not the story. We talk about hard things and, oh, did God assign that? Did he cause that? It happened. He's not surprised. Did he want that for you? Was that his best? No. But he also knows he's capable to heal and redeem all things, but he's a gentleman and he waits for you to bring it to him.

Jennifer Rothschild: That's good.

Heather MacFadyen: He's not going to force his way in to heal something. There's got to be a partnering with him and a bringing to and an acknowledging where that hard thing caused us to believe wrongly about him or about others or about ourselves.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Heather MacFadyen: And aligning with that truth sets us free to then walk into those good purposes that are waiting. You know?

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.

Heather MacFadyen: Let's bring this kingdom. Let's go. Okay?

Jennifer Rothschild: You just described the whole scenario between Jesus and the man who had been paralyzed for 38 years. Jesus comes to him and says, "Do you want to be healed?" And then when he was healed, then he was able to walk into that greater purpose, revealing the glory of God. So, yes, let's occupy the space that God has given us.

Okay. So I know for you -- speaking of the past -- you drifted away from a career in speech-language pathology.

Heather MacFadyen: Why do they make it so hard to say? It's like I'm supposed to be helping people and they give us this really hard title.

Jennifer Rothschild: Can I tell you I agree with that? I thought the same thing. I thought do I have to call it speech path --

Heather MacFadyen: And pa pa pa pa.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yes. Now we all feel like we need it. It validates the career, actually, because everyone needs it.

Heather MacFadyen: It keeps me going. It keeps me in business now, yeah.

Jennifer Rothschild: Okay. So anyway -- but you drifted from that career. So how did you know it was time to occupy a different space, and how did you test that decision making?

Heather MacFadyen: Yeah, in that situation it was this timing with the assignment of just more boys kept showing up. I just kept having more boys. And the child care costs were not -- it just was more than the income I was bringing in, and just the time and the energy.

And in my storyline, as a little kid I had a real maternal desire. I was the one who brought my Cabbage Patch Kids with us wherever we went. I set them up in a little high chair. I just always wanted to be a mom. So I don't feel like women staying at home is the ultimate assignment. I think women can be free of that. But for me, that was something I desired. So at a certain point, I did step away from doing speech-language therapy and staying home full time.

But I am someone who always needs a something else, and so for a season I helped with registration for MOPS at our church. And then I was writing online what God was teaching me as I went through my own hard season of having that many kids and relying on myself and realizing I was hitting rock bottom all the time. And something I really wanted to do. So I just started writing online, and then eventually podcasting. And I just kept following the next step, you know, in that decision.

Jennifer Rothschild: But here's what's interesting. You did not just sit down at your desk in your speech pathology therapy office and decide, I think I will become a podcaster and an author. And I think that's an important thing for us to acknowledge, Heather, is that -- you really literally just explained this progression transition of you occupying the next space. And then whose responsibility it was to bring you to where you are is not yours, it's God's. And he has, like the psalmist said, set those boundary lines in pleasant places. And y'all, did you hear, listeners, that she was talking about her wiring? That was her wiring. The Cabbage Patch Kid in the high chair as a little girl was a pretty good indication of the wiring.

Heather, this is so good. It really is very, very practical, and so I'm grateful you've written the book. Because we are running out of time and we're going to hit our last question. Okay? So you've already given a little bit, but I'd like you to give a very, you know, practical, like, when this podcast ends kind of first step. What encouragement can you give her, to this listener who might feel insecure in occupying her next assignment?

Heather MacFadyen: Yeah. I think sit with those boundary lines with God. A whole chapter I spend on learning to listen to God. I don't think that we necessarily bring our lives -- like we said, we're partnering with God as we journey. We're wanting to listen to him for these next assignments. But do we? Do we talk to our friends more than we talk to God about it?

And so even this book order, I wrote "Don't Mom Alone" first, but that wasn't the original plan. I had written a book proposal for this book, and my publisher gave me a two-book contract. So many other publishers are like, "Why aren't you writing 'Don't Mom Alone'?" I thought, well, it's too obvious. I want to write something super interesting. But I asked God and he showed me. I brought those lines to him.

And so I encourage her to do that, just ask him what's significant about this time, this place, my wiring, my experiences, and what are you asking of me? Am I filling it? Because I think if we really took our time, energy, attention to occupying our own spaces, we would improve our relationships with our friends, our kids, our spouse, our parents, because we would not try to get in their spaces and try to occupy their spaces. And so asking that of God, like, okay, where are you assigning me and am I filling it? Asking those questions and just sitting with him and listening. And if you're thinking, oh, is that my thought or God's thought? Well, does it line up with Scripture? Is it condemning? Then it's not God. If it lines up with Scripture, it is. Does it sound like his character that you read about in the Bible, is it -- you know, I wouldn't go with if it's logical or illogical, because I have been led to some illogical spaces based on my -- I'm like -- all the people around me are thinking, Really? You want to home school your kid for a year? So just bring that to him. Just try. That would be my first step. Bring those boundary lines to him, ask him, and see what he says.

Jennifer Rothschild: Trust him. Listen and just try it. Enough said.

K.C. Wright: Yeah. This was so good. I say that every time, but they're so good.

Jennifer Rothschild: 'Cause they're all good. I know. I know.

K.C. Wright: I know. I mean, I just have Alexa play the 4:13 Podcast 24/7 at my house because they're also good.

Jennifer Rothschild: They're all good.

K.C. Wright: But here's the thing. Here's the deal. If you occupy your space, you won't occupy theirs. This is such a good resource to use as you think through this past year and get ready for the next year. It is that kind of practical book, and we are giving one away. So maybe you can even win it right now and give it to that person you know needs it. Simply go to Jennifer's Insta @JennRothchild to win it, or we will have a link on the Show Notes at 413podcast. com/274.

Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. And we will also have a transcript there at those Show Notes for you.

All right. Happy almost birthday to my awesome son Connor, who -- I don't know if he's listening, but shout out to my son Connor. It's almost his birthday.

K.C. Wright: Happy birthday.

Jennifer Rothschild: All right, our people. So remember that you can get clear on what God has created you to do and who he has created you to be in this space, because you can do all things through Christ who gives you strength. I can.

K.C. Wright: I can.

Jennifer and K.C.: And you can.

Jennifer Rothschild: (Singing) Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.


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