When life doesn’t make sense, we often try to fix it, make sense of it, or change it. We wrestle, don’t we? But what if we didn’t have to understand it or try to make it better? What if we could trust that God knows, and since He knows, it’s enough to turn our wrestling into resting?
Well, today we’re letting go of our questions, worries, and angst over life’s struggles and placing them in the hands of our all-knowing God!
Author Lisa Whittle is on the podcast to help us see behind the curtain of God’s perfect knowledge, and she explains why trusting in His omniscience alone can help you find release, relief, and rest.
It’s such a good conversation, and you’ll never guess where we’re going in Scripture to learn all about it … Nahum!
That’s right! We’re about to geek out about this Old Testament prophet, and you are going to love it! Because, surprisingly, the truths hidden in this seldom-studied book of Nahum can settle your anxious heart even in the midst of uncertainty.
As we talk about Lisa’s book, God Knows: When Your Worries and Whys Need More Than Temporary Relief, you’ll be reminded that God’s omniscience is sufficient, and He’s working for our good even when we can’t see it or understand it (Romans 8:28).
And because He is God (and you’re not), you can let go of what’s been burdening you, trust in His complete knowledge and power, and wait for His plan to unfold in His perfect timing.
Lisa Whittle is a Bible teacher and author of eight books. She’s also the founder and host of the Jesus Over Everything podcast and founder of Ministry Strong. Her love runs deep to see people pursue Jesus for life, grow deep roots of faith, and walk strong in this world. She and her family live in North Carolina.
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Books & Bible Studies by Jennifer Rothschild
- Amos: An Invitation to the Good Life
- Hosea: Unfailing Love Changes Everything
- Take Courage: A Study of Haggai
- 66 Ways God Loves You
More from Lisa Whittle
- Can I Find Grit to Show Up When I Want to Shut Down? With Lisa Whittle [Episode 176]
- Visit Lisa’s website
- God Knows: When Your Worries and Whys Need More Than Temporary Relief
- Follow Lisa on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram
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4:13 Podcast: Can I Trust That God Knows and Cares? With Lisa Whittle [Episode 251]
Lisa Whittle: I began to hear the words "God knows" in my heart, and it just began to ring and resonate. And I thought if I really believed that, God knows, how would that change the way that I wrestle with things, the way that I want to get paid back, the way that I have in my mind relationships? And I began to dive into that and I thought, God knows, that is a matter of omniscience. Now, let me dive into the omniscience of God. It led me to a five-year study.
Jennifer Rothschild: When life doesn't make sense, we often ask how can I fix it, make sense of it, or change it? We wrestle, don't we? Well, what if you could trust that God does know, and because he does know, that would be enough to turn your wrestling into resting? Well, today author Lisa Whittle will unpack the seldom studied Old Testament book of -- wait for it -- Nahum, and it's going to help you see behind the curtain of God's perfect knowledge. She is going to make the case for why trusting in God's omniscience can provide the perspective that will bring you deep soul rest. Okay, full disclosure, my people. We are about to geek out about this minor prophet, and you are going to love it. So it's time to release, get some relief, and rely on the omniscience of God.
K.C., get ready. Here we come.
K.C. Wright: I'm so ready. I was born ready. Welcome to the 4:13 Podcast, where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you and I up to live the "I Can" life, because you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.
Now, welcome your host, Jennifer Rothschild.
Jennifer Rothschild: Well, welcome back. We're glad you're here, our 4:13 family. Jennifer here to help you be and do more than you feel capable of as you live the "I Can" life. K.C. Wright, my seeing eye guide. Just two friends sitting in the closet talking about one topic, and we got zero --
K.C. Wright: Zero.
Jennifer Rothschild: Zero.
Jennifer and K.C.: -- stress.
K.C. Wright: And coffee.
Jennifer Rothschild: Well, that's why we have zero stress.
K.C. Wright: It smells like coffee in here.
Jennifer Rothschild: It does always smell like coffee. I actually have been kind of clumsy this morning, so you can't smell my coffee because I have a lid. I have a to-go cup with a lid. It's been one of those mornings.
Anyway, we are glad you're here. I did tell you -- full disclosure -- we're about to geek out. Okay. Now, do not be intimidated. You're like, are you kidding me, we're going to talk about the Old Testament? Oh, there are hidden gems in the Old Testament. Those of you who have been friends with me for a while know that I am, like, into the minor prophets. I have a crush on them. I've written a Bible study on Haggai, Hosea, Amos. Like, I love these guys.
K.C. Wright: Yes.
Jennifer Rothschild: And so Lisa Whittle is talking about Nahum. Okay. But let me just give you a little context, because I don't want you to feel intimidated. You're just going to love it. But minor prophets are called minor, because in the Old Testament there are major prophets and minor. A minor prophet does not have less important things to say, or they are not seen as less relevant, it's just that their books are shorter. So honestly, in our vernacular we could say we've got shorter prophets and longer prophets -- right? -- because it's just fewer chapters, fewer words. So Nahum is a minor prophet because the Book of Nahum in the Old Testament is not very long.
But here's the thing, y'all. It is packed with truth. And I love what God has shown Lisa through it. That when you really begin to shift and recognize that I don't know, but God knows, it can release you from some of the worry that comes from uncertainty --
K.C. Wright: So good.
Jennifer Rothschild: -- trusting that he really does know. Kind of like -- you know, K.C., you think of Ellie when she was especially little. Well, even now.
K.C. Wright: Right.
Jennifer Rothschild: I mean, a child who trusts her father just has -- she can rest because she knows, well, my daddy knows.
K.C. Wright: Right.
Jennifer Rothschild: My dad's got this. He knows. I don't have to know because he knows. I think that's what Lisa's trying to help us understand.
K.C. Wright: So good.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. So it's going to be really good, so I want to get right to it. Lisa has been on the podcast before. We will link to her other episode in the Show Notes. But get ready. In fact, if you want to, if you are not driving, you should just open up your Old Testament and find the Book of Nahum and get a head start. Let's do it.
K.C. Wright: Come on.
Jennifer Rothschild: Let's do it.
K.C. Wright: Yeah. Lisa Whittle is a Bible teacher who has written eight books. She's also the founder and host of the Jesus Over Everything Podcast. She's back on The 4:13 today, and we are shooting the confetti cannons. All right? We're talking about her latest book, "God Knows." So get ready to geek out with Lisa and Jennifer.
Jennifer Rothschild: All right, Lisa. I'm so happy to have you back on the podcast again. And I'm especially excited -- well, two reasons. I like you very much and I love your ministry and your message. But I also have a real crush on the minor prophets. And you, my friend, have written on one that a lot of people overlook, Nahum. And so let's start right there. Why -- because I just wrote on Amos, and that was the question I always got. Why Amos? Okay? So I want to know from you, what caused you to start studying Nahum? Like, of all the books in the Bible, why Nahum?
Lisa Whittle: That's a great question. I wouldn't have picked it. I wouldn't have picked it, Jennifer, because if you've ever read the Book of Nahum, you know that it's -- you know, it's only three chapters long. It's prophetic poetry basically, and it is anything but comforting on the surface. It is not something that you grasp or gravitate towards in the midst of a difficult life. You know, even in the midst of just a normal everyday life, you wouldn't think, oh, let me go to Nahum. But I was --
Jennifer Rothschild: Right.
Lisa Whittle: Yeah. Actually, I was prompted by the Lord. I had been experiencing night terrors. And if you've ever experienced sort of that waking up in the middle of the night and being gripped by fear -- you know, I call it night terrors. I don't know. It's not some clinical diagnosis. I just know that I was waking up afraid, and it felt dark and I felt just gripped by this -- just a sense or feeling that -- my kids, are they going to be okay? And where is the world going? It was kind of a combination, looking back, I think, of the heaviness of carrying a lot of people's stories and hearing what people were going through, also the awareness of the world and, you know, my own life, and just -- you know, will the Lord -- you know, what is the Lord going to do?
And I like to plan things out. I like to have this ugly sense of control that we often don't speak of but is true. And I was having night terrors, and I just kept praying to the Lord, like, "Lord, help me." I would wake up in the night, I would pray, and then I would eventually go back to sleep.
And I was sitting in church, and the Lord spoke to my heart and he said, "I want you to study the Book of Nahum." And I thought this is the oddest thing I've ever heard from the Lord in church before. The pastor was not preaching on Nahum, it was nothing like that. And I went home and I ordered every commentary I could find on this very little obscure book and I began to dive into the Scripture myself for months and months and months.
And I read Nahum 1:7, which says in it, "The Lord is good. He is a refuge for those who seek him, and he knows all who put their trust in him." And I began to hear the words "God knows" in my heart, and it just began to ring and resonate. And I thought if I really believed that, God knows, how would that change the way that I wrestle with things, the way that I want to get paid back, the way that I, you know, have in my mind relationships? And I began to dive into that. And I thought, God knows, that is a matter of omniscience. Now, let me dive into the omniscience of God. It led me to a five-year study.
Jennifer Rothschild: Wow. And five years in three chapters. That means you've had an opportunity to go very deep. And I love, though, that you just connected the depth and the obscurity of that Scripture with the practicality of your life.
And so I read that as you were studying Nahum, you discovered that his name actually means "comfort and relief." But if anybody has read the Book of Nahum, it doesn't always feel comforting. I mean, you just quoted 1:7, which is comforting, but -- so I'd love to know -- it doesn't feel super comforting, so what gives? Like, why is this plot twist such a big deal for Judah, which is who Nahum was talking to, and how does it apply to us in our own situations?
Lisa Whittle: Yeah. You know, that was the most -- that was so compelling to me, Jennifer. When I began to study, that was my first discovery actually, was that the name Nahum means "comfort and relief." And I thought this is so odd. This book is anything but comforting. Oh, I see what's happening here. There's a story behind a story. And isn't that the way it is with all of God's Word, right? There's so much more to be mined here. And I thought, oh, what is God -- what adventure is God about to take me on? Because I need relief. I knew this thread -- there was something here, because it was just -- it just wasn't comforting on the surface.
But the oddity of it, the plot twist, if you will -- which obviously wasn't a plot twist with God, it was very, very, very on purpose. And the significance for Judah then was the same for us as now, which is in so many ways the things that we see, the things that are happening around us and to us are not at all what God is working out on our behalf and what God will do. We just don't have the foresight to know it. We don't have the attribute, that supernatural attribute that he has of his omniscience, so we can't know what he knows. We want to, we certainly attempt to, but our knowledge is not the same as God's, and so it's very difficult for us to understand all of that.
And in many ways, Jennifer, even though I've studied this for five years, I can't tell you that I understand the omniscience of God anymore, because his omniscience is not to be understood. What it has done, it has changed the way that the words "God knows" ring in my heart now. It has changed the way I rest in the reliability -- in the complete reliability, the fact that he knows things that I don't, and that then changes the way that I operate in my daily life. So I call Nahum now an odd love letter to Judah. I think that may be taking a little bit of liberties that it's a love letter. But in my mind, it is because he was telling them, listen, all this destructive stuff, I got you. I see you. I know you. And the reason why I quote Nahum 1:7 is because it's one of the only comforting verses in there, if you just read without understanding what's really happening there.
And that's what I attempted to do in the book and in my Bible study that will come out next fall where I really dive into the threads of here's Nahum; oh, also here's Jonah; and here's Isaiah. And let's look back at some threads here and understand the timeline of what was happening there, because there's a lot.
Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, there is so much. And, in fact, I want to ask you in a minute about Jonah, because I love this connection.
But let's circle back. Because you said even after studying this, you still don't really understand God's omniscience. Which I appreciate the intellectual humility of that statement because, you're right, his omniscience is beyond our capacity to understand. But it is not beyond our capacity to accept and to trust.
Lisa Whittle: Yes.
Jennifer Rothschild: So you kind of alluded to this, but I want you to drill down a little bit. So if we do accept and trust God's omniscient, that he knows, so if we can trust that, how is that going to change our worries and help us deal with the big question of why?
Lisa Whittle: That's a great question. And, honestly, as a skeptic, I approach things often as a skeptic myself, Jennifer. It's in my nature. I wish I had the always optimistic, bubbly, glass-is-half-full personality, but that's not me. And so I asked that question. I said, what would this change?
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.
Lisa Whittle: What would this do for me? How would this change my daily life? And I will tell you that it has. I will give you the firsthand testimony that it has. Because if it's true, if it is true that God knows everything, that his omniscience covers what has happened, what is happening, and what will happen, then if that's true, and if God can be trusted in that -- these are core spiritual beliefs. If those things are true, then the way that we seek to compensate in relationships and in survival mode and in all of these things are unnecessary. It's that or this.
And I understand that we live in a daily life, I understand that we have daily complications. My life is not without them. I understand that we have real bills to pay, I understand that we have daily heartbreak, I understand that there are things we don't see coming, and that in itself is why we either believe this or we have the other alternative, which is we can trust in good vibes. But here's the problem with that. How is that any kind of reliability? How is that any kind of solid belief system? It's great on a sweatshirt. But that doesn't help us when something like a pandemic, that we never saw coming, comes. If God knows, then we know that he can be completely rested in. And a lot of us need that anchoring thought.
You know, one of the groups that I love the most is 18 to 25-year-olds. And I spoke with a professor recently who has a lot of interaction with that particular age group, obviously, a college professor, and she said, "This generation is growing up believing that nothing in life is certain." And I thought, isn't that interesting? And my first go-to, Jennifer, was lament. I thought, oh, they're growing up believing that nothing in life is certain. But the Lord spoke to me and said, "Lisa, what an opportunity for them to say, 'Oh, but God.'"
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.
Lisa Whittle: God knows. And then it becomes more than a phrase.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, it does. It becomes this comforting blanket. Yet at the same time, I listen to this and I trust fully in the omniscience of God because it's an integral part of his character. But how do we deal with, Lisa, the person who said, yeah, God knew the pandemic was coming and God let it come? And I'm supposed to trust the same God who knows but allows the hard stuff? How do you reconcile that?
Lisa Whittle: Well, I think that is the human wrestle that perhaps will never be answered. I know some people won't like that answer, but it's a true one. It's a true one. It's an honest one. What I can tell you is that there is a difference between trusting and believing in God's omniscience, that he knows, and liking, loving that things that have happened without our permission will happen, and knowing that within that sovereign system that God could with his hand have prevented that. I mean, it's really sort of a side issue -- right? -- but it all ties in. Trust ties in. You know, do we believe that God is good no matter what? I mean, that's something I wrestled down in my last project, right? But all of those things are tied in to what we believe and know and trust about God.
If we want free will, then with free will comes choice. And we live in a fallen world and all of those things come into play. It doesn't change the fact that God knowing everything about what happens is really the only thing that we have to rest in in this world.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah.
Lisa Whittle: And in this world, there will be trouble. We know that from John 16:33. It's not an if statement, it's a when statement. Those things are going to happen. We don't live in a world without trouble. I wish we did. So when those things happen, which we know will happen, could God prevent them? God can do anything.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah, yeah.
Lisa Whittle: But that is not for us to wrestle down. And we can spend our whole lives wrestling that down, but that is not what the issue is at play here.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. Well, as you're explaining that, too, I think of Proverbs 3:5, that we're to trust in the Lord with all of our hearts and not lean on our own understanding. And I think we do try to encapsulate God into something we can understand, and we just can't. The secret things belong to the Lord. There are mysteries.
Lisa Whittle: Yes.
Jennifer Rothschild: And I'm sure that as Nahum is giving all this bad news to Judah, they're thinking the same thing: What? But then 1:7, Nahum 1:7 shines through and we're reminded, we're reminded that God really does know.
All right. Now, let me just take you back to something a little simpler here. Not simpler. Maybe less complicated. Because you alluded to it. The Book of Jonah. All right? So there's this interesting tie between the Book of Nahum and the Book of Jonah. So I'd love for you to tell us what that is.
Lisa Whittle: This was also a very early discovery of mine, and a really interesting one. So the Book of Nahum is written to -- it's written to Judah, obviously, we've said that. But also it's written very pointedly to Assyria, and more specifically to Nineveh. Which if that strikes a chord with someone and they think, oh, I remember that, right, you remember it because, remember, that was the same Nineveh that you might be familiar with from the story of Jonah and the whale, that city that Jonah -- remember? -- reluctantly warned to return to God 100 years before, Jennifer.
And what's happened is Nineveh, you know, as we know, repented, but then has gone back into this state of wickedness. And really, from what I have researched, is it has become more wicked than ever, and more aggressive, and more sort of in their persecution of Judah. A hundred years before was the Jonah situation. Now we've got the Nahum situation. And so that was remarkable to me, because I thought, oh. I mean, these are long, long going threats. And I think it's applicable to us because so many times in our own lives we're feeling like, how long, Lord? How long, Lord, will we endure? And this world with its trouble feels long. That's the irony of life, right? It feels short and it feels long. The days feel long, our life feels long. Also life feels like a breath. We don't understand.
And I'm so glad you pointed that out, because the one thing that I was humbled with over and over again in studying this was, Lisa, you just don't even understand, you just don't even know. Even in all of your research and findings and knowledge, you don't have a clue. You don't know. You don't understand. And even if we were to try to understand a piece -- and I feel like I've learned so much, and yet there's so much mystery that I don't know. And part of, I believe, God's great plan for us in saying, hey, listen, I know, and I have this omniscience, this great blanketed understanding that you'll never know. Part of that process with us with him is the deference. And it is the humility to say, God, you know and I don't. And I don't even understand that statement. But what I do believe is I believe you. And that then creates a relationship of love and trust and rest, by the way.
You know, you would think that the frustration of not knowing, and God knowing and God being able to do things we can't, would cause us even more angst and frustration. And certainly it does. I think there are times that we are so frustrated with God, we beat our fists against a wall sometimes, or on the ground, and we cry and we lament. And God is so tender to that and accepts that. I mean, we know from Scripture that there was so much of that. And that is real and that is raw. And yet as we release, God, I don't know, and I'm never going to know, and I'm not going to try to force human knowledge into a supernatural box, a supernatural system that I can't touch. So as much as I could in my human understanding, you know, sort of methodology sort of figure this out, it won't be right because it's not God's knowledge. I think what happens in that process, Jennifer, is a letting go. And it is a resting that we perhaps will never have never known before, because it is coming into this reliability, God knows; I don't. I'm resting in that, and I'm even letting go of needing to know information.
And I think that's been one of the most important things for me. I always feel like I need to know. No, I need to know. I need to know in order to be able to trust. I need to know that you're for me. Even if it's about human beings, you know, I need to know this first. And I think God has really worked on me and said, no, I need to know, and I know.
In fact, I was looking at the Book of Job, and one of the things that really stood out to me -- and I put this at the beginning of Chapter 1 -- was a verse from Job where he says, I look to the north; he's not there -- and I'm paraphrasing. This is not the exact verse, so don't hold me to it. But it's, I look to the north; he's not there. I look to the south; he's not there. I look to the east; there's nowhere to be found, whatever. But he knows where I'm going.
And one of the things that stuck out to me about that was -- of course, he said this when he's basically lost everything. And it was like Job didn't need to know anything except for the fact that God knew where he was. He didn't need to know where God was, because God knew where he was. And I'm telling you, Jennifer, I thought, God knows where I am. So even in those moments when I don't know where he is, he knows where I am. And that's changed me.
Jennifer Rothschild: That is so powerful. And I think someone listening right now really needed to hear that, because I think you kind of turned the concept upside down and you put it right where we live. And also as I listen to you, I really do think your book is named perfectly. Because as I'm listening, I think, yeah, God knows. Yeah, God knows. He does. I mean, even as you're listening today, our friends, if you only come away with two words, it needs to be those two words: God knows.
Lisa Whittle: Yeah. Yeah.
Jennifer Rothschild: God knows. You don't have to understand. Just know that God knows.
So I think of Nahum preaching this message to Judah. Okay? And so this underlying message is that Judah was supposed to, like you just explained, rest in the fact that God knew what they were going through. But then here's this guy Nahum, this minor prophet, and he's going through it too, but he doesn't talk about it. He doesn't lament his feelings necessarily, that I'm aware of, you know, like David did in the psalms. So I think that's interesting. Why don't you talk about that.
Lisa Whittle: I'm so nerding out with you this morning, by the way. You're like a perfect match for me in this interview, because we're just two nerds talking about things we love.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.
Lisa Whittle: I'm telling you, Jennifer, this was one of my favorite things to discover. You're right, it's not like David with the psalms. Nahum doesn't talk about his feelings. In fact, we know so little about him. I think verse 1 says, like, Nahum was from. You know, it's very, very bland. We know very little. So you have to research a little bit, you have to find out a little bit, and you have to draw the connects. You have to make the connects to realize what's happening.
So from all the commentaries that I could find -- and believe me, I think I ordered every one that was possibly sold -- it says that basically Nahum probably did live in Judah. So this is very important. Because we know that there's this group in Judah, righteous people who continue to follow God in the midst of exile and evil, and we know that they're considered the remnant. Right? So Scripture talks about it, I don't know, what, 52 times? The remnant. So if Nahum lived in Judah, he had to have been one of the remnant. And the remnant was one of those that God cares for in the times of trouble. And so that's so interesting. Because if he's preaching to the remnant, he's preaching to himself because he's part of the remnant.
And so what's so interesting, we know nothing about his feelings, he doesn't talk about it, he's -- I just imagine him to be -- you know, he's a different personality probably than David, I don't know. Whatever the reason is that he doesn't pour his feelings into this book at all -- and they're not in there, trust me, you're right -- we know that he has to have been preaching to himself in many ways this message of God knows, this message of hang on, this message of it's not exactly what it looks like on the surface. Even in this strong -- very strong prophetic poetry language that is being given to this wicked Nineveh, he's preaching to himself. And don't you know that had to have been in some way comforting, because he has to have that to know that God is on it. And that's really sort of the message.
I mean, for us as believers in this day and time -- David, we know, practiced that sort of soul talk preaching to himself, right? But even in just this Nahum, who didn't do that, but just the knowledge, the underlying belief system that we have to hang on to, that things are not the way they seem, that they don't look -- that they look a certain way, but that God is on it. I mean, that's why I say in the beginning of the book, just breathe, God's on it. And that for me -- I'm telling you, this message is for me.
Jennifer Rothschild: Wow.
Lisa Whittle: This is for me, Jennifer. I need it. Because when I look around, I think, God, where are you? God, what's going on? God, don't you see the evil? God, can you make this right? And God keeps saying to me, "I know. I know."
Jennifer Rothschild: Yeah. That's a beautiful perspective that we all need to note. That Nahum was not just preaching to Judah, not just preaching against the Ninevites. He was preaching toward himself. Everything we say, we hear. And so we need to allow -- even if we don't necessarily emote obviously in front of others, our soul is absorbing the truth that we preach, so let's make sure our truth lines up with God's truth.
Lisa, this is so good. And I am just highly recommending to our 4:13ers that they get your book, and in the fall they get the Bible study, because I want them to go deeper too. But I love how you've done five years of study to make this accessible to us, because every word in God's Word matters. And so the Book of Nahum can be a real source of comfort, and Lisa can be a guide to help you get there instead of you having to work through it. So, yeah, when the podcast ends, you can read all three chapters, but make sure you've got her book right there with you so she can help you understand it. And I'm recommending you get that book, too, because this has to be our last question.
I could nerd out with you all day here, Lisa, but I do want our listeners to read your book. Okay, this will be our last question. And I think I know your answer, because almost everything I've asked you, you've come back to this truth. So this is the last question. Why is this message from the Book of Nahum, that God knows, especially important for somebody who is just longing for justice right now?
Lisa Whittle: It's so important because it helps us rest versus wrestle endlessly over things that we can't make right. It is that permanent and lasting relief and rest in the reliability of what God knows that we do not. In particular that justice piece, it helps us understand the difference between biblical justice and payback, the difference between vindication, wanting vindication and wanting vengeance. There's a lot of things at play that I think in our lives we haven't pulled apart. And I know that especially people that want justice for things, whether it's justice in the world or whether it's in their world. We talk about the macro and the micro. Both of those things are important. But we will rest differently, versus wrestle, when we trust in the God who knows.
K.C. Wright: God does know. And what she just spoke about reminds me of Psalm 139. Do you care if I read it?
Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, please read it.
K.C. Wright: Yeah. Psalm 139, verse 1 through 12. "You have searched me, Lord, and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise. You perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down. You're familiar with all my ways. Before a word is on my tongue, you, Lord, know it completely. You hem me in behind and before, and you lay your hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, too lofty for me to attain. Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you're there. If I make my bed in the depths, you are there. If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me," even the darkness will not be dark to you. The night will shine like the day for darkness is as light to you."
Jennifer Rothschild: That's so beautiful. God does know, doesn't he? He knows. He knows it all. He knows even before you know. And you heard what Lisa said there at the end. When we really trust that God does know, then we move from wrestling to resting.
Oh, my people, you need to get this book. Okay? I already told you how much you needed it in our conversation, my conversation with Lisa. I just know you need to and you want to go deeper with this Old Testament prophet, Nahum. So check it out.
K.C. Wright: You really do geek out over these minor prophets. It's so cute. But you mentioned Amos. And I want to make sure our 4:13ers know about the Bible study too, because it also has video teachings with it. We will have a link to Amos on the Show Notes along with Lisa's book "God Knows" on the book of Nahum at 413podcast.com/251. Those Show Notes are incredibly resourceful. You hear things -- just, for example, like today, you don't want to wrestle, you want to rest. Well, I want to hang that somewhere.
Jennifer Rothschild: Right. Right?
K.C. Wright: One time we had a podcast where it was there are no bad days, only hard days.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yes.
K.C. Wright: And all of those gold nuggets are found on the Show Notes.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, they are. It's just good to pull off those sound bites and keep them so you can remember during the day. Because you need those words, but ultimately you need God's Word. I need God's Word. So get in his Word. It will remind you that God does know and God does care. So you can study these hard books of the Bible. You know why? Because you can do all things through Christ who gives you strength. So until next week, I can.
K.C. Wright: I can.
Jennifer and K.C.: And you can.
Jennifer Rothschild: Yes, you can.
K.C. Wright: Remember the story in the Bible where they were making up -- these teenagers were making fun of the prophet because he was --
Jennifer Rothschild: Oh, the baldy?
K.C. Wright: Yeah.
Jennifer Rothschild: Mm-hmm.
K.C. Wright: They were saying, Go up, thou bald head. Go up, thou bald head. And what happens when you make fun of bald-headed men? A she bear came out of the woods and mauled them to death. I love that.
Jennifer Rothschild: Don't mess with the prophet of God or his hair follicles.
K.C. Wright: Thank you.
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